Youtube, any forum. Trump wins this hands down and it aint close.

I would bet and give odds'. Trump says multiple more demented things. You look at Trump speaking when he was younger and the guy was sharp. A really good speaker who actually did have really good words.

He lost a lot with age.

It is really nuts to pretend Biden is worse when it is not even comparble.

Yo Semites! But really this isn't close. People who worked in the Trump administration told us he has trouble focusing and understanding things. We saw this first hand in the "disinfectants inside the body" press conference where somebody told him some routine data on surface disinfecting vis a vis covid-19 a couple hours before the presser and he mistook that for important research on how to treat infected patients. Doesn't really matter if that is more age related confusion or just straight up stupidity, but it was obviously something that greatly affected Trump.

The guy literally thought a cognitive test given to recent stroke victims to help asses structural damage to the brain and whether it's safe to release people to their own care was an IQ test that got very difficult at the end!

Trump actually thought he had made a connection perhaps the scientists had not.

Trump to Scientists : so you talk about this disinfectant and how good it is for cleaning surfaces. Maybe we should look at using that in the body. Can you do that.

Scientists to Trump : Oh yes Donny. Good boy. You are so smart (they walk away laughing at Trump)


Trump at Press Conference trying to make sure he gets credit : " so what about a cleaning ....inside the body..."

Scientists : OMG he isn't actually saying that idiocy out loud is he? He did not realize we were placating him like a child?


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And it has to be age related as he was actually surprisingly able as a speaker when younger. I would say near Bill Clinton able if you watch much of his early interviews.

You are dramatically overrating the oratorical skill of 50 year old Donald Trump. He was a bit quicker and a bit thinner in 1996 than we was in 2020, but he was still easily recognizable as the same guy.

Blaming Trump's idiocy on age is just giving him an unwarranted free pass.

Biden has never been a great orator, and has had a speech impediment his entire life which leads to some weird breaks and pauses. Other than that, he's good at making it down to earth and coming off as decent.

But had he ever delivered something ala Trump's "nuclear" quote, the opposition in congress would be drafting impeachment articles and talking very loudly about the 25th amendment. Probably rightfully so, too.

This.

But here's the thing for me - even if someone was to make the case that Biden sounds more senile when speaking publicly, what I'd care more about is what happens behind closed doors when most people don't hear but some of the biggest decisions are made. I'm pretty sure Biden is the far more stable personality when it matters, but if both were to have fits of senility, I'd have far more faith in Biden having surrounded himself with people who would talk sense into him, whereas I don't think there's anyone who can do so with Trump.

Biden would also be more capable of accepting the truth (or accepting a diagnosis) about cognitive decline than Trump ever would be.

I assume you are referring to the rambling comments that Trump made in 2016 in South Carolina, ostensibly about the Iranian nuclear deal.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do...rump-sentence/

But that's the thing with Trump. I'm not 100% certain what you are referring to because Trump also mentioned nuking hurricanes.

https://www.axios.com/trump-nuclear-...cf0e3f51c.html

And Trump also told Bob Woodward that he had developed a new nuclear weapon that Putin and Xi had never heard about before.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...ads-2020-09-13

According to people who know about such things, Trump very likely was referring to the W76-2 warhead, which Russia and China definitely know about. The only other alternative (very unlikely, imo) is that he was making a reckless national security disclosure about a truly new weapon.

I dare you to watch this with an honest eye and say why you think Biden is a concern in that regard but not Trump?

The last thing I want to do is give Trump a free pass but I think what I said is undeniable unless you look at Trump thru aa partisan eye in the way Lozen is now looking at Biden.

I can post endless interviews of Trump like this (and I hope you don't make me, as I do hate him) and it is clear he is a good, if not great orator at that point.



And before anyone tries to nail me with the oft times repugnant views young Trump said, that is not my point. I am speaking to skill, confidence and style of speech only and the decline we see now where he struggles to remember words and basic events such as the video I posted in prior post.

Joe Biden actually shows the least identifiable decline because as mentioned he always had the stutter, lost thought thing. He is worse but not as clearly worse as Trump or even Pelosi are. Their decline is far more visible and much steeper as opposed to their younger selves.

Bill Mahar often rants about the 'last allowed bigotry being ageism'. He rails against people complaining that certain politicians or SC judges, etc are too old and he defends the idea that their should be no upper limit. I agree with him on ele3cted positions. If the voters want the person, regardless of old age, that is their choice. But not for lifelong appointments. A person hanging on into their 90's and 100's should not be able to stay just because...

What he misses is that it is actually young people who are discriminated against. Why should there be a minimum age for any job, instead of allowing citizens to decide if the person is competent enough to serve them? That is the true bigotry and discrimination.

There is a lot of selection bias going on. Very little of what Trump said on video in the 1980s and 1990s is available on platforms like youtube, whereas almost every public statement Trump has made since late 2015 is. I could find plenty of clips from Trump's presidency, where he sounds more or less the same as the Larry King interview. The pacing would be more deliberate, but that would be the only noticeable difference.

This is a long way of saying that, if you believe that Trump was an accomplished orator in the 1980s and 1990s, then you probably were impressed (purely from a technical standpoint) with a lot of his public statements as president.

I will repeat what I said during the election. It would be shocking if any of these old guys who ran for president -- Trump, Biden, Bernie, etc. -- had not experienced any cognitive decline. But on the other hand, I feel confident in stating that all of them have experienced less cognitive decline that would be typical for men their age.

If you had asked me to predict in 2010 what sort of president Trump would be, I think that I would have been fairly accurate. I would have missed on some of the standard GOP policy stuff, because that was driven purely by expediency. (Trump only has three or four things that he really believes in.) But I would have nailed all the other stuff -- the childishness, the general lack of presidential demeanor, the inability to tolerate criticism, the unwillingness to listen to subject matter experts, the astonishing egotism, the self-dealing, the grifting, the nepotism, the crass insults, the lack of respect for women, etc.

Well it is definitely an area where we can agree to disagree.

I am not speaking from youtube searches but rather as an avid follower of all "Business icons" of that age. I was an avid watcher and follower of any and all such media and personalities and found Trump to be equal to any of them in that age, in terms of being able to market himself thru his oration. He was a bigger than life personality and that is because he could speak well and address questions asked coherently.

You have to factor in the fact how often they speak as well. Trump loved the limelight and had press conferences almost every day and those rallies went on for over an hour every time . Biden avoids press conferences and refuses to sit down interviews with Fox (Chris Wallace)

Now if you want to say Trump lies more than Biden Ill give you that one.

Imagine a trumpnuke If you thought trying a bottle of our water was risky--you ain't seen nothing yet

Yeah. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. There is a distinction between being a good speaker and being flamboyant. I will grant that Trump has always been the latter.

Why do we have to factor in how often they speak?

Is that your way of saying 'sure Trump says more dementia like things but pro rata, because he speaks more we need to discount it'?

Because I will take that admission from you that Trump did and does say far more dementia indicating things.

That thing you are asking me to consider is meaningless if you think Biden says more as I thought you were initially indicating.

"come on man"

I watched the actual video. In context what he said was fine. He was talking about the cooperation between the different governments.

Well this is a little awkward.



Catholic Monsignor Who Wanted to Deny Biden Communion Resigns After Cellphone Links Him to Gay Dating App

...The General Secretary of the USCCB, Monsignor Jeffrey Burrill read the voting results to the conference back in June. Burrill has now resigned from his position after cell phone data revealed that he used the gay dating app Grindr and regularly visits gay bars...

TBH I am most curious about this "...but then someone tracked the Monsignor’s cellphone usage..."

Of course I know both big Tech and Gov't can access our data but is this suggesting that any (many) randoms can simply target anyone and get it?

And of course I know people can be targeted with Trojans and other methods to gain access but I don't think that is what is being suggested here???

You're overthinking this.

It's as simple as logging into this guy's Google account and checking his location history.

Getting access to some boomer priest's e-mail address and password doesn't seem like a particularly large hill to climb.

Even if that was as easy as you pretend, and it is not, that would not give them access to the type of very specific data they are referencing.
At best you would see in his gmail some general emails from the site saying stuff like 'you have not logged in to your account in a while' that might be personalized to him suggesting it is not just spam.

But hacking someone's gmail purposely could take a lot of time. Perhaps it was already exposed and sitting on some dark web server which holds random account names and hacked PW's, and someone savvy enough searched and luckily found it??

There's a real chance that your personal e-mail password is sitting out there on the internet. Do you use different passwords for every site?

Go check it out.

www.haveibeenpwned.com