Here is how this movement is playing out in NYC:

It says the are taking police officers out of schools

I predict a school shooting

Inside what sort of timeframe? But it's not a particularly bold prediction. It's not like actually having an armed officer on campus has prevented school shootings.

To be clear, you think we should listen to the person who's talking about "systemic racism", a problem you think doesn't exist?

I wish just once you would be right about my motives. it's like you must twist and deflect everything. No, I don't care who you listen to. I'm posting what NYC city council members are saying about defunding the police.

No you're not. You're posting what NYC city council members who help you push your narrative are saying. Let's see what some NYC city council members who don't help your narrative are saying, in your own article:

It's always the people who cry the most about "narratives" - you, Kelhus, others - who are the most guilty of pushing them. Every single time. It is always projection.

You quoting Rage Against The Machine's Killing in the Name of to make some sort of point, is pushing a narrative as is Wooki stealing from Trevor Noah with his police looting black bodies schtick as is Markksman's musings on anything race related. Hardly projection

That's bullshit. You tried to make a point about my position on systemic racism in an attempt to score some points against my credibility. A point that has absolutely nothing to do with why I posted the quotes from the NY folks. The reason I posted the NY folks was to point out how some on the left is rebelling against the narrative the radical left is pushing, i.e. "defund the police". Your narrative was about me....like always.

It’s true a lot of leaders of minority communities are pushing back on defunding the place. A lot of the leaders spent their early activist lives screaming “Where is the police?” “If it were a white woman killed, cops would be all over the place now.” “They don’t care about us.”

Bougie white people who live in safe areas don’t see a need for cops. People living in crime ridden areas see a need for cops to patrol their communities. Who’d have thunk.

I don't pretend that I'm not making an argument for a side.

Nah, your credibility is undermined mainly by the fact that you chose exactly the two statements you most agreed with as being "how this movement is playing out in NYC" rather than showing how it was actually playing out in NYC, which has substantive debate within the left, rather than there only being opposition to defunding the police.

Crime rate will rise.

Tax base will shrink.

Businesses will leave.

The once vibrant, beautiful city of Seattle may sadly become a West Coast version of Detroit.

Edit: Ditto Portland.

Exactly, just like I said. You were busy pushing your own narrative while misleadingly trying to present it as a general summary of what's happening in New York, then had the gall to accuse other people of "twisting things to fit narratives".

I have a question for iHiv. When you come across an article like that, I assume you read it. What is the process when you read it and it contradicts your preconceived notions and desires? Do you, like in this case, hope for a contrary viewpoint against the majority and then cherry pick that hoping nobody notices?

Do you find that to normally be a good strategy? Do you think you will continue to pursue this strategy in the future? Do you see a time where facts will actual shape your thoughts and opinions on an issue?

I will hang up and listen.

You mean what you think my preconceived notions are? The idea that I was pushing some narrative/preconceived notion is entirely in the SJW's/toxic cults imagination. I simply posted some lefty criticism of defunding the police in NYC, a controversial view of the radical left, and what do you know, three members of the toxic cult (i.e. radical left) start accusing me of pushing a narrative, having preconceived notions, when I did not even post an argument/opinion on the criticism. Seems to me you all make it about me, and my motives...rather than having to deal with the criticism you are getting from your own side, like always. #toxiccult4life

This goes without saying, I don't think you've ever posted anything that was favorable to conservatives. So, I don't really care about your appeal to whatever indignation you are claiming about my posting.

It's interesting that even some on the left are starting to associate "defund the police" and such with marxist type ideology...

No, you didn't. That's a plainly obvious lie. You added your own commentary that the quoted criticism was how it was going down in NYC. That lefty criticism is not representative of how it's going down in NYC. Had you added instead something like "Not all lefties agree with defunding the police," you'd have been met with a bunch of yawns, because we know, and that statement is factually true.

Yes, you did. You argued that that was was how it was going down in NYC

im very interested to see what happens with the lawsuit the seatle businesses have against the city

And the lawsuit the rioters have against the city too. Talk about taking it from both sides at once.

you guys didn't yawn when Kelh posted the data that clearly shows more support for the status quo or an actual increase in police presence lmao

you internalized it as another loss, because there's no conceivable alternative.

What was his commentary on the data?

not interested in that. I'm sure it was fine.

I'm interested in crickets when you are met with a pretty humiliating rebuke of your ideas.

what's the next tack for the floundering vessel, but to sink?

go proselytize, I guess

Define your terms. I'm willing to bet on your ignorance.