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06-11-2020 , 02:51 PM
How do we think the "revolt" in Seattle plays out.

Compromise between the rebels and the city, where the city agrees to demands?
Law enforcement (military?) comes in and clears everyone out? (If they do, do the rebels leave peacefully or fight?)
Rebels get bored and leave?

Anyone have any predictions. I really don't even have a good guess how it is going to play out.
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06-11-2020 , 03:24 PM
Having no idea what is going on there and reading this op is a trip. Civil war started?
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06-11-2020 , 03:33 PM
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Antifa, Black Lives Matters and others wanting to bring about change stormed into Seattle City Hall and took over a swath of surrounding territory. They’ve called it the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ). It was created to serve as a community, commune, self-sustaining, police-free zone. The protesters demanded that the police be abolished and the mayor fired. The governor of Washington state, Jay Inslee, said in a press conference that he’s unaware of what's happening.

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In front of a deserted police station, a banner was hung that read, “This space is now property of the Seattle people.” The CHAZ has turned it into a “no-go” zone. The group has its own people patrolling the area. “Warlord” Raz Simone chased out reporters and allegedly assaulted citizen journalists. He also produced a new rap video describing his mission.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkel.../#616d12d273f8

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However, armed citizens are patrolling the streets around the police station.

https://komonews.com/news/local/what...utonomous-zone

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Best: SPD response times have tripled since loss of East Precinct
https://komonews.com/news/local/best...-east-precinct
For reference. It's a local Coup d'état. I guess lefty anarchirst are for the 2A now. Go figure it would be the left who resorts to weapons to overthrow a lefty government.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 06-11-2020 at 03:44 PM.
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06-11-2020 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Having no idea what is going on there and reading this op is a trip. Civil war started?
For several nights, people protested in front of a police barricade set up around the Seattle PD East Precinct in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of downtown Seattle. I think a couple nights ago, the police abandoned it and protesters have now set up the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" where they've set up hippie communal stuff. Not much of a civil war afaik.

NYT just posted an article touring it here.

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What has emerged is an experiment in life without the police — part street festival, part commune. Hundreds have gathered to hear speeches, poetry and music. On Tuesday night, dozens of people sat in the middle of an intersection to watch “13th,” the Ava DuVernay film about the criminal justice system’s impact on African-Americans. On Wednesday, children made chalk drawings in the middle of the street.
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06-11-2020 , 03:49 PM
If you support this, you are not a liberal, or a believer in democracy. LOL @ the NYT's.
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06-11-2020 , 03:52 PM
I just think its funny they decided to call it The CHAZ. Makes me think of Blades of Glory every time I see it.
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06-11-2020 , 03:57 PM
Also, this is not the type of thing to track via national outlets. Follow the local news:

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A 'dance of trust' is being played out in the six-square block area that occupiers have taken over, with people at checkpoints asking those entering what the purpose of their visit is all about. https://komonews.com/news/local/seat...into-third-day
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06-11-2020 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
If you support this, you are not a liberal, or a believer in democracy.
Why?
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06-11-2020 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Law enforcement (military?) .
This right here exposes your lack of comprehensive knowledge and understanding on the matters of which you speek.

Military and police are two distinct and separate entity in the U.S.
One is for domestic peacekeeping and the other for foreign enemies.

But if you must continue with your white privilege game's,
Do carry on my dear fellow
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06-11-2020 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
This right here exposes your lack of comprehensive knowledge and understanding on the matters of which you speek.

Military and police are two distinct and separate entity in the U.S.
One is for domestic peacekeeping and the other for foreign enemies.

But if you must continue with your white privilege game's,
Do carry on my dear fellow
The military has come into the city where I live in my lifetime to put down a riot, so it is certainly in the realm of possibilities. But thanks for playing.
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06-11-2020 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
The military has come into the city where I live in my lifetime to put down a riot, so it is certainly in the realm of possibilities. But thanks for playing.
Well, it's almost happened here in this nations capital. Because we currently have a President that's out of control and has a total disregard for the constitution. But once again,let's be clear, the military and the police have two separate and independent rolls in this country.
Sorry chap if this hurts your feelings, but this is another reason why foreigners should not mirror their values and beliefs as the same with this country just because they are white. The military has come into the city where YOU live, not in America.
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06-11-2020 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Well, it's almost happened here in this nations capital. Because we currently have a President that's out of control and has a total disregard for the constitution. But once again,let's be clear, the military and the police have two separate and independent rolls in this country.
Sorry chap if this hurts your feelings, but this is another reason why foreigners should not mirror their values and beliefs as the same with this country just because they are white. The military has come into the city where YOU live, not in America.
You must come from the Trolly school of making wild assumptions about people that couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Regardless, do you have a prediction for Seattle, or are you just trolling.
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06-11-2020 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Why?
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a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

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Democracy is a system of processing conflicts in which outcomes depend on what participants do, but no single force controls what occurs and its outcomes.
These folks, intended, or not, are a singular force and are imposing their will, not through voting, or through their elected representatives, but by force. What's worse, no one even knows if they are even qualified to make decisions that impact how policing should be done, which calls into question their roll in shutting down a PD, which will cause loss of life, and is a direct threat to the law and order of a democracy. They are bypassing the democratic process to get what they want.

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Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.

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06-11-2020 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
These folks, intended, or not, are a singular force and are imposing their will, not through voting, or through their elected representatives, but by force. What's worse, no one even knows if they are even qualified to make decisions that impact how policing should be done, which calls into question their roll in shutting down a PD, and is a direct threat to law and order of the democracy.
You know it's just a protest right ?

They aren't really taking over the city. lol
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06-11-2020 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
These folks are imposing their will, not through voting, or through their elected representatives.
Right but America is full of that on all sides in all directions, you can probably find 90% of the country that's supported "illiberal" "anti-democratic" things in one form or another at some point in time (e.g. Cliven Bundy being a folk hero to the right when opposing Obama was all the rage). It's pretty boring to be like "well technically this is not democracy and if you support it then you do not believe in democracy". There are probably even points in your life when you have not supported democracy!

So, is that it? Is this particularly egregious/bad or did you just feel like dropping a dictionary definition to remind people that everyone in this country is technically a hypocrite in one way or another?
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06-11-2020 , 05:31 PM
People taking over 6 city blocks (that does not belong to them), having armed guards patrol it, while limiting movement and restricting the press's access, is not a protest. It's an occupation. What ****ing world do you live?
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06-11-2020 , 05:38 PM
So these faux hippies have decided that they have the right to close down businesses and keep people from working.
Solution: round them up and quarantine for 14 days. If the are Covid free, then put them in jail for a couple of months.

On to the next problem..........
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06-11-2020 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Right but America is full of that on all sides in all directions, you can probably find 90% of the country that's supported "illiberal" "anti-democratic" things in one form or another at some point in time (e.g. Cliven Bundy being a folk hero to the right when opposing Obama was all the rage). It's pretty boring to be like "well technically this is not democracy and if you support it then you do not believe in democracy". There are probably even points in your life when you have not supported democracy!

So, is that it? Is this particularly egregious/bad or did you just feel like dropping a dictionary definition to remind people that everyone in this country is technically a hypocrite in one way or another?
The argument is not that people are hypocrites, it's that if you support or condone this activity, it's illiberal.
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06-11-2020 , 05:40 PM
Guys I know this is a poker forum but it’s ‘role’

Re: The forbes article, I don’t really know how this plays out but I’m damn sure this takeover will not be “self sustaining.” I mean, they’re communists right?
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06-11-2020 , 05:40 PM
You know. If someone was from the Congo and tried to pass his as the same as Americans, he'd be told, GTFO dude. But not with you. I bet you even have the audacity to tell Mexicans to leave the country from your Manchester garden. You are the ultimate epitomy of white privilege.
And no, I don't have an opinion about what happens in Seattle.
You're whole thread is childish.
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06-11-2020 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
People taking over 6 city blocks, having armed guards patrol it, while limiting movement and restricting the press's access, is not a protest. It's an occupation. What ****ing world do you live?
Hmm armed people standing guard to protect and sanction lawlessness is anti-democratic? If only there were other instances of this we can look to in recent months that half the country supported...

btw, the article you cited: "During our six-hour afternoon visit, we did not see any examples of what police are talking about, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening." Do you have evidence that this is happening besides the fact that Seattle PD, surely unbiased in this matter, told you it is? Why is having armed guards prima facie undemocratic, do you hate the second amendment?

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The argument is not that people are hypocrites, it's that if you support or condone this activity, it's illiberal.
So was intentionally violating segregation laws in the 60s instead of appealing to elected representatives for change. Being like "oh no, you support something illiberal" is sooooo boring, is that the only point you came here to make?
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06-11-2020 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hmm armed people standing guard to protect and sanction lawlessness is anti-democratic? If only there were other instances of this we can look to in recent months that half the country supported...

btw, the article you cited: "During our six-hour afternoon visit, we did not see any examples of what police are talking about, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening." Do you have evidence that this is happening besides the fact that Seattle PD, surely unbiased in this matter, told you it is? Why is having armed guards prima facie undemocratic, do you hate the second amendment?



So was intentionally violating segregation laws in the 60s instead of appealing to elected representatives for change. Being like "oh no, you support something illiberal" is sooooo boring, is that the only point you came here to make?
Stop trying to shift the narrative. None of your "what about x" addresses whether or not these actions by these anarchist are liberal, not. You seem to agree with me that it's illiberal, but are not overly concerned about that.

That's not surprising, as you don't appear to be a liberal.
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06-11-2020 , 06:09 PM
Trump: Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will.
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06-11-2020 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Also, this is not the type of thing to track via national outlets. Follow the local news:
KOMO isn't exactly local news. They're Sinclair.

But no, I'm not especially outraged that some protesters are armed, given the status of the 2nd amendment, and I don't care that they're reading poetry in the streets, or that they've shouted until the police left.
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06-11-2020 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
KOMO isn't exactly local news. They're Sinclair.

But no, I'm not especially outraged that some protesters are armed, given the status of the 2nd amendment, and I don't care that they're reading poetry in the streets, or that they've shouted until the police left.
Any predictions how it plays out?
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