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07-21-2020 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Not for the racial data you were using it for. Liar lies again, more news at 11.
You know, you refuse to accept MrWookie specifically stated the website methodology, and not about a specific stat, and are lying about that context. I honestly don't know how you could dispute that.
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07-21-2020 , 09:37 PM
I know it's a bit premature, but I'd like to nominate this thread for "Best of 2+2", we all know it's only a matter of time.

Voted 5 stars.
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07-21-2020 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I know it's a bit premature, but I'd like to nominate this thread for "Best of 2+2", we all know it's only a matter of time.

Voted 5 stars.
The only people who care about this thread are the narcissists, the codependents and the flying monkeys.
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07-21-2020 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The only people who care about this thread are the narcissists, the codependents and the flying monkeys.
Which one do you self-identify as again?
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07-21-2020 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You know, you refuse to accept MrWookie specifically stated the website methodology, and not about a specific stat, and are lying about that context. I honestly don't know how you could dispute that.
We've been over this last night. You pointed out how important context is, remember?

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Whatever...change the context of the conversation to make it mean whatever you want it to mean.
Right, changing the context is bad, let's not change the context. And what was the context of you citing mynamestats.com?

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
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The race and Hispanic origin distribution of the people with the name JAMAL is 60.1% White, 2.8% Hispanic origin, 22.4% Black, 7.8% Asian or Pacific Islander, 6.3% Two or More Races, and 0.6% American Indian or Alaskan Native. These figures should be considered only as a rough estimate. The purpose of this graph is to compare the name's specific race and Hispanic origin distribution to the distribution in the general population of the US.
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https://www.mynamestats.com/First-Na...MAL/index.html
Right, it was for racial name data. And why did Wookie ask you about the methodology?

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
You cited a paper that showed 95% of like 8,000 survey respondents classifying "Jamal" as black and now you're sitting here like "hurr durr actually my very own paper is trash now that it's making me look dumb". LOL itslyinginvegas!
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What is the more rigorous methodology of mynamestats.com?
Right: you disputed the methodology of the paper you cited (about racial name data), so Wookie asked about the methodology of the site you liked better (for racial name data).

The context of this entire conversation about mynamestats.com was about racial name data. You only started pretending otherwise when you realized that you had faceplanted for the 12th time in a row, and cited some random, bogus website that was your first hit on Google because you were so eager to distance yourself from faceplant #11, the scholarly research you cited in this very thread that all of a sudden you didn't like so much when it made you look dumb. Now here we are, on approximately #17, after you've told several more lies about posts in this thread that anyone can go back and read (my favorite was probably this one, where you lied and pretended you had cited other data from mynamestats.com, before being forced to admit it came from a different website. That was hilarious!).
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07-21-2020 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Right: you disputed the methodology of the paper you cited (about racial name data), so Wookie asked about the methodology of the site you liked better (for racial name data).

"not". Ring a bell? "liked better"? You just made that up.
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07-21-2020 , 10:04 PM
My entire point about methodologies was that none of them are valid, as they have not been rigorously tested.

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I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.
Yes or no, does that website use SSA data in their methodology?

The answer is yes.
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07-21-2020 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
"not". Ring a bell? "liked better"? You just made that up.
I'll let our neutral fact-finder flying money friend sort out whether I "made it up" or not. You've proven to be an extremely unreliable and emotional narrator on the subject.
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07-21-2020 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I'll let our neutral fact-finder flying money friend sort out whether I "made it up" or not. You've proven to be an extremely unreliable and emotional narrator on the subject.
Wow....can't argue against facts, huh?

There is no reasonable interpretation that would read this:

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I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.
and think I like one methodology over another.
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07-21-2020 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I'll let our neutral fact-finder flying money friend sort out whether I "made it up" or not. You've proven to be an extremely unreliable and emotional narrator on the subject.
I starting to feel rather underpaid for this role.
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07-21-2020 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Wow....can't argue against facts, huh?

There is no reasonable interpretation that would read this:



and think I like one methodology over another.
You're making no sense. You liked the racial name data you found on mynamestats.com more than the racial name data in the scholarly paper you previously cited. You said the methodology of that paper wasn't up to par. Wookie asked about the methodology of the site you liked better. Then you lied about it. Then you lied some more, like about the source of other data you posted, to try to cover up your previous lies.

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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I starting to feel rather underpaid for this role.
That's why they call you "flying money"!
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07-21-2020 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
You said the methodology of that paper wasn't up to par.
No, what I actually said was:

"..including that paper." If you can't infer that means all methodologies so far, there is simply no common ground with you. You are manipulating again. You can't reasonably argue that I was only talking about that one paper.




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Wookie asked about the methodology of the site you liked better. Then you lied about it.
No, he did not ask about what I liked better. He asked about what methodology the site uses, I went to the site and saw they used SSA and answered.
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07-21-2020 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You know, you refuse to accept MrWookie specifically stated the website methodology, and not about a specific stat, and are lying about that context. I honestly don't know how you could dispute that.
I quoted for you, in its entirety, the website's own description of its methodology! It is not just relaying SSA info as you claimed!
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07-21-2020 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I quoted for you, in its entirety, the website's own description of its methodology! It is not just relaying SSA info as you claimed!
I did not say "just".

I mean to get the owanage you are looking for, you all keep having to inject ****.
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07-21-2020 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Wookie asked about the methodology of the site you liked better.
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
No he did not ask about what I liked better.
LOL. Classic IHIV! Dude is sitting here, constantly crying that other people can't accurately quote him when he's not even capable of reading their posts correctly lolol
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07-21-2020 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
No, what I actually said was:

"..including that paper." If you can't infer that means all methodologies so far, there is simply no common ground with you. You are manipulating again. You can't reasonably argue that I was only talking about that one paper.






No, he did not ask about what I liked better. He asked about what methodology the site uses, I went to the site and saw they used SSA and answered.
Another lie. I asked you what their more rigorous methodology was, since you disputed the methodology of the scholarly paper that you originally cited, and now trusted more mynamestats.com. You had clearly made a value judgment about the quality of the respective methods.
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07-21-2020 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Another lie. I asked you what their more rigorous methodology was, since you disputed the methodology of the scholarly paper that you originally cited, and now trusted more mynamestats.com. You had clearly made a value judgment about the quality of the respective methods.
No, I did not say I trusted that website more.

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I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.
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07-21-2020 , 10:21 PM
You guys keep making **** up.
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07-21-2020 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
No, I did not say I trusted that website more.
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You guys keep making **** up.
Hahahaha! You trusted it less than the paper that made you look dumb, but posted it anyway? That's the story you're going with to try to wriggle out of the pretzel you've found yourself in? LOL
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07-21-2020 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hahahaha! You trusted it less than the paper that made you look dumb, but posted it anyway? That's the story you're going with to try to wriggle out of the pretzel you've found yourself in? LOL
JFC, my entire point was methodologies were flawed when it came to identifying racial connotations with names, and you all derailed it in to this ****. You think there is some big gotcha by attacking the methodology of the website?

Well done, bro.
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07-21-2020 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
JFC, my entire point was methodologies were flawed when it came to identifying racial connotations with names
Another lie! You posted that data because you believed it:



LOL
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07-21-2020 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
The only people who care about this thread are the narcissists, the codependents and the flying monkeys.
All the manic posting in the 40 minutes since you said this is really serving to demonstrate how much you don't care.
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07-21-2020 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Another lie! You posted that data because you believed it:



LOL
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I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.
Before this derail, I explicitly stated the methodology for names was flawed.

You've created a false dichotomy of trust, and you've conflated two arguments. I don't trust any of them. With that said, knowing it's an Arabic name, and knowing it's really an uncommon name, and knowing there is a decent sized arab-american population, and the website did not identify arab as a distinct group, it's seems likely Jamal is would have more white (as in white including Arabs) people with the name. That does not mean I trust the websites methodology.
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07-21-2020 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
All the manic posting in the 40 minutes since you said this is really serving to demonstrate how much you don't care.
Perfect.
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07-21-2020 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Perfect.
Hang on, did you mean that this is you? I'm guessing it must be, since I know goofy and Wookie are the narcissists, and I'm "Flying Money" (cool nick, btw, thx bro). Makes sense, actually.

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Codependency is a behavioral condition in a relationship where one person enables another person's addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement. Among the core characteristics of codependency is an excessive reliance on other people for approval and a sense of identity.

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