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Based on the analysis of 100 years worth of data from the Social Security Administration's (SSA) Baby Names database, the estimated population of people named JAMAL is 29,538.

What do you know, MrWookie lying about me lying:

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

What is the more rigorous methodology of mynamestats.com?

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Social Security records, backed up by many sources.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

You're a liar.

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07-21-2020 , 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

What do you know, MrWookie lying about me lying:

LOL, what? "The SSA baby names database says there are 29,000 Jamals" is not a cite for "60% of Jamals are white according to the SSA"! What is wrong with you?

It's shocking and unexpected to see - so unexpected - but what do you know: itscryinginvegas is lying about Wookie lying about itslyinginvegas' lying.

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07-21-2020 , 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

What is the more rigorous methodology of mynamestats.com?

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Social Security records, backed up by many sources.

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

LOL, what? "The SSA baby names database says there are 29,000 Jamals" is not a cite for "60% of Jamals are white according to the SSA"! What is wrong with you?

It's shocking and unexpected to see - so unexpected - but what do you know: itscryinginvegas is lying about Wookie lying about itslyinginvegas' lying.

Whatever...change the context of the conversation to make it mean whatever you want it to mean. It's interesting you put the quotations on something that was never said, and call other people liars.

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07-21-2020 , 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Whatever...change the context of the conversation to make it mean whatever you want it to mean.

Right, exactly, the context is very important. And the context is about where they're getting the info that 60% of "Jamal"s are supposedly white.

In particular, there's multiple facts on the page that they specifically cite as coming from the Social Security Administration database - like what you cited about the number of Jamals. You know what isn't cited as coming from the SSA? Their race data.

Like Wookie said, you lied. Their methodology for getting that data is not pulling it from the SSA; you lied and said it was. And like I said, you lied about him lying about you lying.

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07-21-2020 , 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

You had to make up fake quote, bro.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 07-21-2020 at 02:17 AM. Reason: gg

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07-21-2020 , 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

You had to make up fake quote, bro.

My paraphrase of the conversation is not a "fake quote". A fake quote would be putting it in a quote box attributed to your name and changing the words you wrote. Here are the exact words you wrote, if you'd prefer that, since you still look exactly as dumb:

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You cited a paper that showed 95% of like 8,000 survey respondents classifying "Jamal" as black and now you're sitting here like "hurr durr actually my very own paper is trash now that it's making me look dumb".

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

I'm not saying it's trash. As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

What is the more rigorous methodology of mynamestats.com?

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Social Security records, backed up by many sources.

Like you said, context is important. And the context of this was about the racial connotations of "Jamal", not how many of them there are in the United States.

And in that context, you said the methodology of mynamestats.com is to use SSA data.

That is a lie. They do not get racial data from the SSA.

You. Are. A. Liar. And like a true narcissist, you're incapable of admitting it.

So perfect.

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07-21-2020 , 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

SNIP

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These names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.

Bro, give up.

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07-21-2020 , 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

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These names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to.

Bro, give up.

Now who's deflecting? You realized you did lie about mynamestats.com and the SSA, so you're furiously backtracking as quickly as possible to attack your own paper again!

LOL. This is too much fun.

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07-21-2020 , 02:27 AM

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You fail to realize your boy deliberately manipulated what I said. His question made no sense other than where they got their data, based on what the website said, they got it from the SSA. Your fake quote was not the context, and could not be the context, because before he asked the question I made clear there is no rigorous testing.

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07-21-2020 , 02:31 AM

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Many Americans are ignorant about a diversity of subcultures. In particular, many consider many muslim names as typically black. For example Muhammad.

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07-21-2020 , 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Your fake quote was not the context, and could not be the context, because before he asked the question I made clear there is no rigorous testing.

LOL

You: "As the paper states, these names have not been rigorously tested using well-developed methodology, including that survey you are clinging to."
Wookie: "What is the more rigorous methodology of mynamestats.com?"
You: "Social Security records, backed up by many sources."

Reality: they did not get the data you were citing from Social Security records. Literally the only thing you had quoted from mynamestats.com at that time was their race data, and when asked what their methodology was, you lied and said Social Security.

Tail got caught in a lie and he's trying furiously to distance himself from it. Dance, monkey, dance!

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07-21-2020 , 02:38 AM

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I don't have to make up fake quotes:

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Literally the only thing you had quoted from mynamestats.com at that time was their race data, and when asked what their methodology was, you lied and said Social Security!

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

There are 23,241 people in the U.S. with the first name Jamal. Statistically the 1257th most popular first name. More than 99.9 percent of people with the first name Jamal are male.
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Last edited by itshotinvegas; 07-21-2020 at 02:42 AM. Reason: to be fair, that is from another site

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07-21-2020 , 02:41 AM

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I mean, I quote a blurb from the website indictinating they got their data from SSA and Goofy wants to pretend it does not say that. As if they don't use the SSA in the methodology.

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07-21-2020 , 02:41 AM

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Literally the only thing you had quoted from mynamestats.com at that time was their race data

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

There are 23,241 people in the U.S. with the first name Jamal. Statistically the 1257th most popular first name. More than 99.9 percent of people with the first name Jamal are male.

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Why are you citing this as some kind of rebuttal? That did not come from the page you linked on mynamestats.com. Your buddies at mynamestats.com think Jamal is actually the 1829th most popular name!

LOL, lying again! Keep dancing!

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07-21-2020 , 02:43 AM

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Hint: Jamal is an Arabic name, they don't classify arabic/muslim names....which means they are likely classifying arab folks as white.

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07-21-2020 , 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer at 11:41pm

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Last edited by itshotinvegas; Today at 11:42 PM. Reason: to be fair, that is from another site

Yeah, that's what I thought.

g ****ing g bro

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07-21-2020 , 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Yeah, that's what I thought.

g ****ing g bro

What? Your entire argument is based on a quote you made up....you made it up and want to pretend that was the context.

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07-21-2020 , 02:47 AM

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Not covering yourself in glory here, IHIV, even by your own mediocre standards.

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07-21-2020 , 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Not covering yourself in glory here, IHIV, even by your own mediocre standards.

It's not surprising you side with the person who literally made up a quote, then lied about not making that quote up, repeatedly. When you have to make **** up, when it's clear what MrWookie said, it gives away the game. He literally got caught lying about what was said.

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07-21-2020 , 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

You must mean this quote below, that you bolded for emphasis:

I like to think as a nonpartisan finder of fact, much like you - we're birds of a feather like that. I searched far and wide to see if I could find some evidence for goofy's assertion. It took a while, but I think I dug up something relevant from *checks notes* ~20 posts prior:

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07-21-2020 , 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

You must mean this quote below, that you bolded for emphasis:

I like to think as a nonpartisan finder of fact, much like you - we're birds of a feather like that. I searched far and wide to see if I could find some evidence for goofy's assertion. It took a while, but I think I dug up something relevant from *checks notes* ~20 posts prior:

The problem you have is, I specifically stated there is no rigorous testing, which makes MrWookies question bullshit to begin with. It's clear the website uses SSA data. To claim that I'm lying about the website using that data in their methodology for their stats is just nonsense, when the website explicitly states they use SSA data. Trying to paint his question as to pertaining to one specific stat, ignores the context of him specifically stating the website, not any particular stat.

You all can pretend you got a big gotcha here, he specifically said the website, not a specific stat, and they do use SSA data.

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07-21-2020 , 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

The problem you have is, I specifically stated there is no rigorous testing, which makes MrWookies question bullshit to begin with. It's clear the website uses SSA data. To claim that I'm lying about the website using that data in their methodology for their stats is just nonsense. Trying to paint his question as to pertaining to one specific question, ignores the context of him specifically stating the website, not any particular stat.

You all can pretend you got a big gotcha here, he specifically said the website, not a specific stat.

Ah, I see, the problem I have is that you didn't say the thing you meant to say, but you said a different thing instead, the proceeded to get upset that other people were falsely attributing to you the thing that you said. As a neutral, non-partisan, disinterested arbiter of fact here, I'm going to go ahead and declare your argument, to put it mildly, unpersuasive.

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07-21-2020 , 03:16 AM

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Be more civil people, or give this tangent a rest.

Also, apologies to any Jamals reading this thread.

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07-21-2020 , 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Does the website use SSA data in their stats?

The answer is yes.

So, it's correct to say the website uses SSA in their methodology.

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07-21-2020 , 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

Does the website use SSA data in their stats?

No idea, and it's totally irrelevant to the point I'm making, which is that you said something, then claimed that you didn't say that thing and that other people were making up quotes from you.

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