now this is rich coming from you. you intentionally misinterpret and twist everything I say. you quibble over the slightest meaning of a word for pages on end.

if I ever said anything inaccurate in the past, you bring it up constantly no matter how many times I reconsider or accept a mea culpa.

further, when I ask for clarification on your posts, as you repeatedly demand of me to the point that it seems that you are just trying to bate me, then you refuse to answer and generally make a snarky reply like "scroll up" or "asked and answered".

maybe if you trolled less, then you would get a bit more respect.

Calling them useless is true but doesn't really capture the situation. The replies I've seen to this are "no." "**** that" and also misrepresenting the mod's political stance in order to suggest they are morally reprehensible and therefore not to be followed.

Each time this has been enough to get the issue to drop. Think about the message this sends to other posters and how they might react.

I don't believe any of that is true Victor, but more than happy to address any examples you have. Until you bring them forward I can't really help you.

you could be less of a troll and you would get better discussion. but you arent interested in that so you get treated the way you treat others.

Saying that I'm a troll is beyond ridiculous. I am the poster who has backed his opinion with sources and explained his thought process the most in the thread you and I participate in.


Please stop trying to bait me to get a reaction.

If a mod could step in here and tell Victor to stop trolling me (in the mod thread no less) I would appreciate it.

oh and if you want an example, this post is a really good one. good job if that was intentional bc that would be pretty funny.

Thanks for pointing out an example of my trolling. I agree this is a good example of the type of thing you consider trolling. The mods can decide if it fits their criteria or not.

I didnt ask the mods to do anything. I dont want them to do anything.

you just wonder why I am not really charitable towards you at this point, well your post is a good example of the 2 of the things I pointed out, namely relentlessly demanding citations (for an opinion no less lol) and being snarky.

While he's definitely snarky, that didn't really feel like an opinion but more like a statement of fact.

fwiw

its my opinion and my interpretation of his posting towards myself. I dont think if I posted a bunch of examples that he would ever agree with it.

Anti Semitism/Islamophobia- tomayto/tomato. You were engaging in anti Semitism and have bafflingly been given an apparent free pass on this hence your growing bolder with the more blatant anti Semitic tropes such as dancing Israelis. And your actual motive is totally irrelevant. You're still engaging in anti Semitism and it's disgusting.

Even if it's an opinion, how is unreasonable to ask for examples of the behavior you're accused of in order to examine that behavior? I see no snarkiness in that post.


I did not say you asked the mods to do anything. I asked the mods to do something. If they agree that asking for examples of how I do what I'm accused of doing is excessively asking for "citations" and that I was being snarky then I would examine my behavior accordingly.

Until then I'm stuck assuming it is another attempt of yours to attack the person instead of the argument.



I am not wondering why you aren't charitable towards me. You are not a charitable person on this subforum. Any time you have an argument of yours dismantled you tend to lash out at the person dismantling it. This has been happening repeatedly for months, so it's no wonder that you just immediately resort to the lashing out against the person now.


While others believe you are an anti-Semite, I don't currently have enough information to say. Despite the focus of this quote being anti-Semitism, I believe this quote accurately describes our interactions except instead of silence you get angry:

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

Yeah. I disagree and feel he's been given free reign to engage in his anti Semitism. You evidently don't. We leave it at that.

I linked how his claim was a well known anti Semitic trope. You must have missed that bit.

Im not attacking anyone. I am saying you need to be the change you want to see in the world. until then, I cant help you.

I tried the approach you suggested. Other posters commented on how patient I was with you for months. You wore me down, much as you have worn down others in this forum. I believe the problem is you, not me. This is why I am here.

You consistently rant how everyone loves seeing Palestinian babies being killed. That's attacking people. Your lack of self awareness is quite something.

well, I think you may be on to something. you think that I am obligated to change my opinions due to your posting. thats not how this works.

and I really didnt get the sense that you were more patient or nicer at all.

but hey, we can try...starting now...

yes I stand by that. you cant separate support for the bombing with support for murdering babies. and as for Israeli's themselves, well I read their twitter and watch their tiktoks. you should too.

I don't think you are obligated to change your opinions based on my posting. I do think if your opinions should be defended if you are going to voice them.

For example when you come in and say that Euromaidan was a Nazi coup, and I post overwhelming evidence that it was not, you don't have to change your opinion.

If you repeat your false opinion again I believe it should be with something to back it up in order to keep the conversation going, hence asking for citations. For example when you came in and said that a recent trial proved that Euromaidan snipers slaughtered protestors and no police were involved we were able to discuss that. We looked at the evidence and discovered that actually the trial uncovered that 40 of the 48 protestors slaughtered had bullets from police and there was nothing to indicate that Euromaidan snipers were involved.

The next time when you repeated the false narrative with no new evidence there was nowhere for the conversation to go except to say "Already debunked." and you say "Nuh uh" and back and forth.



This is all entirely beside the point of why I'm here though. It is in regard to your contentless posts that only serve to insult and anger people, your continually trying to derail a thread, and your trolling. I have never suggested you be banned due to your opinions. The only time I have suggested that anyone should be banned for their opinions was when someone suggested that 80%+ of Ukrainians should be exterminated.

you make a lot of assertions in that post. they are almost entirely wrong. I have posted evidence, from Ukrainian sources, primary sources, and mainstream sources that prove all of that wrong.

but you dont see me whining to the mods that you yourself BGP needs to believe it or else you should be banned.

and again, your post is highly derogatory and full of attacks. why would I not respond to you in kind?

I wouldn't call Euromaidan a nazi coup-- it was a Western backed color revolution that used nazis, but the nazis weren't running the show.....unless you want to consider Victoria Nuland a nazi in which case they were, and that's a bit hyperbolic but I'm ok with it.

Surely you should be much more worried about people being racist, being antisemitic, or being transphobic than uh someone too quickly labelling people as such.

NOPE. thats RIDICULOUS to suggest. We have a problem with lefties trying to cancel people with name calling. We don't have the other problems here so much at all. <<< mod topics

No, because the issue is that the labels get stuck on people for weird doctrinal reasons without being earned, as when Stalinists labelled people 'counter-revolutionary'.