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01-22-2024 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
OK. And now to the Dunyain post that trolly posted along with calling Dunyain a racist clown.

I went back and reread the posts before and after these. Basically the topic under discussion was which country or international organization would be a good choice to occupy and establish some sort of security/controlling presence after the fighting stops. Various options were floated with discussion as to whether those countries either could do it, or want to do it.

In that flow of discussion, Dunyain posted this post(the post that trolly quoted just an excerpt from and another poster sent in a post report about). The part trolly quoted is bolded:

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Originally Posted by Dunyain View Post
Well, in fairness at this point Israel would exercise veto power if they felt it was a bad faith actor who would just continue the status quo of radicalization and militarization. They have seen enough from UNRWA I doubt they would let them take over, even if they were willing.

Regardless, I think you guys are all missing the part where the Palestinian people are so tribal, violent, homicidal and radicalized literally no "outsider" would even consider taking on the job. It is a complete non starter.

Israel is doing it out of (perceived) necessity and hundreds of their young men are dying for it. Why would any other country submit themselves to this unnecessarily?

So the question raised is whether the bolded part is a racist statement slurring the Palestinian people as a whole that should not be allowed and the post be deleted and/or the poster temp banned; or a harsh and exaggerated personal opinion of the Palestinian people in Gaza that, while many may disagree with, should be allowed to be expressed and then rebutted by others.

IMO while I believe the statement is deliberately extreme to provoke other posters, I do not believe it is a racist statement that requires moderator action, but rather an opinion that warrants rebuttal. No source considers Palestinians as a race. So racist just doesn't fit. And as far as smearing an entire ethnic group, given the context of the discussion it is clear the Palestinian people he is referencing are the residents of Gaza.

Now to the four adjectives that stirred people up. Almost all ethnic groups and nationalities are tribal to one degree or another, esp when pitted against an outside group. Violent? That's a personal opinion, and given the decades of violence in that region and the prospect that violence would be continued against any occupying force, its more a question of whether the violence is justified.

Homicidal? That's the most extreme take. Surely there is an element in Gaza that is, given the history of violence and killings. But those who disagree should be able to rebut that opinion rather than have that opinion censored. A question I think needs to be explored is what, if any, responsibility does the civilian population of a country or region bear for killings done by their government. And lastly, radicalized. From the time Palestinian children start school they are exposed to radicalizing propaganda about Israel. I don't think that is really disputed.

So that's my take. Feel free to express your thoughts on the mod decision to let this post remain. But please don't rebut the opinions expressed in that post in the Israel/Palestinian thread here. Go at it in that thread. Have the debate. But use logic and facts, or state opinions, but don't let the discussion degenerate into name calling and insults.
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I'm not interested in speaking with your manager. And I'm not interested in forcing anyone out. I have asked, in good faith, why you're allowing this kind of anti-Arab hate here, and I think I'm entitled to a serious answer instead of this unserious "pAleStInEaN iSn'T a RaCe" deflection.
Here is the response I posted referencing the post by Dunyain that was reported and you posted about itt. As you can see, I hardly simply said that Palestinians arent a race" and left it that. I gave a detailed explanation of each term used and my thoughts on it from a moderation perspective.

If you dont agree with my assessment that's fine. But to characterize my response as "this unserious Palestinian isnt a race deflection" is innacurate and misleading.
01-22-2024 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
I reported a post but was told he wasnt calling a poster a name so it was okay
Are you referring to your recent post report where you said a poster had called you a certain name?

If so, I pm'd you and told you I was prepared to ban that poster but wanted to clarify something because given the wording of the post it was possible you misread it and he was actually calling a public figure that name. So I asked you to take another look and lmk if you still thought the insult was directed at you.

You havent replied to my pm so I havent taken any action. So if you are referring to that post report, your description of my response is completely false. If you are referring to a different one pls lmk which one.

Thanks
01-22-2024 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Here is the response I posted referencing the post by Dunyain that was reported and you posted about itt. As you can see, I hardly simply said that Palestinians arent a race" and left it that. I gave a detailed explanation of each term used and my thoughts on it from a moderation perspective.

If you dont agree with my assessment that's fine. But to characterize my response as "this unserious Palestinian isnt a race deflection" is innacurate and misleading.
Correction: your response was two parts: an unserious "Palestine isn't a race" deflection, and then a rather disturbing explanation for why you think it's actually defensible to call Palestinians "tribal, violent, homicidal and radicalized."

It's clear that these kinds of crude anti-Arab slurs coming from a permabanned racist troll are going to continue to be allowed here, and I think that's offensive and against sitewide rules.

PS: As mets has pointed out, this "ossie" guy is very clearly Jack Hi, who was recently banned for being a literal neo-Nazi.
01-22-2024 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

PS: As mets has pointed out, this "ossie" guy is very clearly Jack Hi, who was recently banned for being a literal neo-Nazi.
Jack hi was banned during the time I was away from modding, so I have no info on that. I will look into it.
01-22-2024 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Are you referring to your recent post report where you said a poster had called you a certain name?

If so, I pm'd you and told you I was prepared to ban that poster but wanted to clarify something because given the wording of the post it was possible you misread it and he was actually calling a public figure that name. So I asked you to take another look and lmk if you still thought the insult was directed at you.

You havent replied to my pm so I havent taken any action. So if you are referring to that post report, your description of my response is completely false. If you are referring to a different one pls lmk which one.

Thanks

Wasn't worth the hassle

He said multiple times the expression "Zionist Human Excrement "
If you found that acceptable in any way shape or form there was nothing to argue
01-22-2024 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Wasn't worth the hassle

He said multiple times the expression "Zionist Human Excrement "
If you found that acceptable in any way shape or form there was nothing to argue
I responded to your post report. I said I was prepared to ban the guy. I made no judgement on any other matter. I guess you realized you misread the post so you didnt respond. And then you posted a false description of how I handled the matter. Butnow you are trying to deflect because the facts dont fit your desired narrative.

Im fine with people who disagree with my actions. But pls dont make **** up.

Last edited by browser2920; 01-22-2024 at 02:04 PM.
01-22-2024 , 02:02 PM
I don't know if i missread the intention or not

I didn't care

Zionist human excrement

"He wasn't calling you that, he was calling Netanyahu that"

Ok you win
01-22-2024 , 02:03 PM
Like human excrement itself whatever

Zionist human excrement... ok if its towards bibi, not if it's towards a poster?

I assumed that was your stance and didn't care to research further
01-22-2024 , 02:04 PM
I'm sorry i rebrought it up
01-22-2024 , 02:05 PM
"Zionist" is technically not a race, so he's in the clear.
01-22-2024 , 02:10 PM
Zionist was nowhere in the reported post insult. Mets added that for dramatic effect. Just another misrepresentation of what actually was said and done.
01-22-2024 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Yet every standardized test we took as kids had Asian as a bubble for race. You guys just can’t go back and forth making these crazy sharp distinctions between race, ethnicity what is and isn’t a racial classification and then also pretend like words have meaning so that there is no context in which Asian as a race is valid. It’s so stupid I think even you are trolling purposely now.
No I'm accurately correcting your erroneous assumptions, that Palestinians, Arabs and Asians are a race. They aren't.
01-22-2024 , 02:16 PM
Ok i don't know which post i reported. I must have misremembered


The human excrement known as brutal israeli occupiers
is the closest i could find

Again i shouldn't have rebrought it up I'll move on
01-22-2024 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
No I'm accurately correcting your erroneous assumptions, that Palestinians, Arabs and Asians are a race. They aren't.
Asian is recognized by the US federal government as a racial classification. The words have meanings clowns suddenly change their position to something more nuanced when it suits them.

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The most recent United States census recognized five racial categories (White, Black, Native American/Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian/Other Pacific Islander), as well as people who belong to two or more of the racial categories.
FYI you atleast changed my mind that your posts were being intentionally stupid to troll.
01-22-2024 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
"Zionist" is technically not a race, so he's in the clear.
why should the ideology that is doing genocide right now be a protected entity?
01-22-2024 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Zionist was nowhere in the reported post insult. Mets added that for dramatic effect. Just another misrepresentation of what actually was said and done.
Dunno if this is the specific reported post but Ossie/Jackie Heil has indeed used Zionist and excrement in the same post.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12383

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The human excrement known as brutal israeli occupiers have a long history of chemical weapon use on Palestinians.

And the Jews too who support peace.
And reading through this thread, I just got to where you guys banned the Jew for coming on here sharing truth.

There is something drastically wrong with the narrative being pushed regarding everything zionist.
I like how his new account bitches about him being banned due to him pretending to be Jewish and being a neo-Nazi.
01-22-2024 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
"Zionist" is technically not a race, so he's in the clear.
He certainly isn't using it as a dog whistle code for Jews either.
01-22-2024 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte
Asian is recognized by the US federal government as a racial classification..
So? That doesn't magically make Asians a race. An Asiatic Russian is not the same race as someone from Japan and Japanese aren't the same race as Indians, but all are regarded as Asian.
So no Asian isn't a race. And neither are Palestinians or Arabs even if you really think they oughta be.
01-22-2024 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
What language do black people speak?
Bad-faith question, since you know that black people speak a lot of different languages for historical reasons.

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If they don't have a defined language, does that mean people biased against others for their skin color are not racist?
Bad-faith question again. When Americans say that a certain group 'isn't a race', they mean that racist language used against that group somehow isn't racist at all and gets a free pass. Arabs are a distinct and identifiable ethnic group and you know this as well as I do and so do the dogs in the street.
01-22-2024 , 04:01 PM
i think you guys are all beginning to understand why trolly is best left on ignore
01-22-2024 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Bad-faith question, since you know that black people speak a lot of different languages for historical reasons.



Bad-faith question again. When Americans say that a certain group 'isn't a race', they mean that racist language used against that group somehow isn't racist at all and gets a free pass. Arabs are a distinct and identifiable ethnic group and you know this as well as I do and so do the dogs in the street.
whoosh
01-22-2024 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
So? That doesn't magically make Asians a race. An Asiatic Russian is not the same race as someone from Japan and Japanese aren't the same race as Indians, but all are regarded as Asian.
So no Asian isn't a race. And neither are Palestinians or Arabs even if you really think they oughta be.
Haha. Words have meaning. It’s just that’s there”s wide disagreement based on context and other factors on what those meanings actually are!! As long as low info trolls/mods can make definitive highly simplified declarations when they need to all is good.
01-22-2024 , 04:55 PM
Okay mate Asians Palestinians and Arabs are a race. And up is down, black is white and wet is dry...long as you really really feel it. You happy now?
01-22-2024 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Dunno if this is the specific reported post but Ossie/Jackie Heil has indeed used Zionist and excrement in the same post.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=12383



I like how his new account bitches about him being banned due to him pretending to be Jewish and being a neo-Nazi.

how is he a neo nazi when hes posting rabbies non stop mate?
01-22-2024 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
He certainly isn't using it as a dog whistle code for Jews either.
Dog whistles are supposed to be subtle. He’s using a tornado siren.

      
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