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08-31-2020 , 01:34 PM

#101

smartDFS

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Originally Posted by bundy5

It is never going to be black and white as to what constitutes reasonable suspicion as it will depend on the circumstances

please tell me this was tongue in cheek

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08-31-2020 , 01:35 PM

#102

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All about that common sense life.

Also, let's drill down on this a bit. What does your common sense tell you about the driving habits of black people as compared to white people?

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08-31-2020 , 01:41 PM

#103

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Originally Posted by Inso0

All about that common sense life.

Maybe you can help me understand your thought process. So cops are pulling over black people because they're racist, not necessarily because these drivers are doing anything wrong. Okay, so what's the endgame for that decision? Take me to the next step in your race-based policing process.

To annoy black people?

Fund the city coffers, and yes, annoy Black people.

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08-31-2020 , 01:43 PM

#104

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

But they may also want to see if they are carrying a weapon, a lot of them are.

But I was told that the Second Amend...

Oh wait, I forgot the "whites only" clause.

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08-31-2020 , 01:43 PM

#105

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I see. We're moving away from the claim that no wrongdoing took place to a position of it being inherently unfair because if the cop sees a white guy and a black guy committing the same offense, he always pulls the black guy over.

Sounds like we need more enforcement, not less. Search the white guy's trunk for dead hookers, too. Make the streets safe again.

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08-31-2020 , 01:46 PM

#106

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you jest, but we need more police force to ALSO terrorize whites in equal proportion is probably the most logically consistent argument the right can put forward on this issue

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08-31-2020 , 02:08 PM

#107

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Yeah well just shows how much bad faith there is in their posting if they don't acknowledge the statistics and how much of a role statistics plays in policing and will continue to be if the police are serious about tackling crime rates.

You are right. As long as we insist on only having below average intelligence simpletons who are overly aggressive and poorly trained we don’t have a lot of choices.

If we want to take a better approach there is no need to focus on stats based policing. Police officers being focused on stats is a massive component of their failure.

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08-31-2020 , 02:08 PM

#108

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

But I was told that the Second Amend...

Oh wait, I forgot the "whites only" clause.

Lol, I think you missed D2's original reference.

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08-31-2020 , 02:13 PM

#109

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Originally Posted by EADGBE

They have a say when the CBA's are signed, not in the middle of a contract. After that the process is the process.

And yea, I'm kind of torn on the issue.

Pro union in general, however there is a serious argument to be made that police unions have gone too far with prioritizing protecting bad cops above all other considerations. Might need to turn in my lefty card. Interesting movement these days within the AFL CIO to kick out the police unions. Can't say that I oppose it.

This isn’t just a police union problem, it is a union problem in general. Really bad employees can be protected to obscene lengths. There have to be better mechanisms for dealing with this. I know of some examples in the telecommunication workers union where people were protected for decades even though they had so many fireable offenses.

I suspect the problem is on the side negotiating against the union not placing enough importance on being able to remove the worst employees. They give up that power for other considerations. So maybe blaming unions is wrong. It is more how about the contracts are negotiated and what is having value placed on it.

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08-31-2020 , 02:14 PM

#110

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Originally Posted by Inso0

I don't need a study for that; I live it every day.

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Maybe you can help me understand your thought process. So cops are pulling over black people because they're racist, not necessarily because these drivers are doing anything wrong. Okay, so what's the endgame for that decision? Take me to the next step in your race-based policing process.

To annoy black people?

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Inso0: the only poster who will go harder in the paint to deny the existence of racism than IHIV

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08-31-2020 , 02:20 PM

#111

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Originally Posted by tame_deuces

White Supremacists have successfully infiltrated many US police departments: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...police-US.html

Let it be known that I truly am sorry for linking the Daily Mail, but it doesn't seem to be on the "it's just liberal narrative"-list of outlets just yet, so I reckoned it would increase the odds of the story not being ignored. For what it's worth, the story can be found in other media as well.

The phenomena is well known in other countries. White Supremacists are notorious for trying to gain entry to law enforcement and military positions. Most countries have routines in place to stop them, white supremacists rarely being a good fit for positions of authority. They're also generally bad at following rules and regulations they don't personally support.

It would probably be a good place to start a police reform. White Supremacists aren't really known for their acceptance of such novel concepts as intrinsic rights or human worth.

I feel like this has been going on for a while. The bigger problem is the Venn diagram of the officer pool and white supremacists in rural areas almost cover each other. So even without any intentional infiltration you end up with very hard right police departments. I think active infiltration of suburban and urban departments has been picking up.

I certainly think there needs to be measures put in place to limit this. If the federal government is ever functional again I would love to see legislation holding police departments responsible for allowing white supremacists into their ranks.

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08-31-2020 , 04:26 PM

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Yeah I think that goes without saying. Someone who doesn't think people are born of equal worth and right has no place in law enforcement.

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08-31-2020 , 04:29 PM

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Also, let's drill down on this a bit. What does your common sense tell you about the driving habits of black people as compared to white people?

I'm still waiting for an answer to this question, Inso0.

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08-31-2020 , 05:11 PM

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Eh, you've combined two things there and I'm not super interested in going back and untangling those two statements, but I tried anyway to think of a way to answer the real question I think you're asking, which is why do the denizens of Milwaukee drive like they DGAF about pesky things like rules, red lights, or small children crossing the street.

Unfortunately for both of us, I couldn't figure out a way to word it that wouldn't result in needing to spend the next 4 hours of my life dealing with a derail about how racist I was allegedly being.

I'll have to leave the rest to your imagination. Sorry for the blue balls.

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08-31-2020 , 05:22 PM

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If you can't figure out how to word your answer as to not sound racist, maybe that's a sign! What if, rather than being an issue about your ability to find the right words, you struggle with this because it's actually racist?

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08-31-2020 , 05:40 PM

#116

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Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?

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08-31-2020 , 05:44 PM

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Eh, you've combined two things there and I'm not super interested in going back and untangling those two statements, but I tried anyway to think of a way to answer the real question I think you're asking, which is why do the denizens of Milwaukee drive like they DGAF about pesky things like rules, red lights, or small children crossing the street.

Unfortunately for both of us, I couldn't figure out a way to word it that wouldn't result in needing to spend the next 4 hours of my life dealing with a derail about how racist I was allegedly being.

I'll have to leave the rest to your imagination. Sorry for the blue balls.

Bolded wasn't really my question. I was hoping that you could explain the ways that you believe black people in a particular geographic area (you can use Milwaukee if you like, or the state of Wisconsin, or the entire United States) drive differently than white people in the same geographic area.

Also, you are making it sound as if I have twisted the question around, but let's remember where this started. I said:

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Originally Posted by Rococo
I assume you just believe that black people have very different driving habits than white people

And you responded:

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I don't need a study for that; I live it every day.

I should get a dash cam.

From that exchange, I naturally inferred that you believe black people as a group have different driving habits than white people and that your anecdotal experience confirms as much.

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08-31-2020 , 06:00 PM

#118

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Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?

That sounds like a personal problem.

Much like me hanging out in a place full of people with a deck exclusively full of race cards and getting into threads that have a racial component. Inevitable outcomes are inevitable.

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08-31-2020 , 07:40 PM

#119

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In order to promote a common ground, I would like everyone to confirm they fully agree we should have a zero tolerance policy towards police officers murdering citizens, in the United States.

I think this is a good starting point and can not imagine anyone not agreeing with this.

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08-31-2020 , 07:46 PM

#120

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

But I was told that the Second Amend...

Oh wait, I forgot the "whites only" clause.

To be fair, minorities are much more likely to have a firearm. So if they are just looking for firearms and keep pulling in minorities, it is what it is.

Wait, what do you mean minorities are not more likely to own a gun?

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08-31-2020 , 07:55 PM

#121

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"Gun in household"

blacks and hispanics obv keep theirs in their cars, police know this and naturally need to pull them over more

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08-31-2020 , 08:31 PM

#122

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Unfortunately for both of us, I couldn't figure out a way to word it that wouldn't result in needing to spend the next 4 hours of my life dealing with a derail about how racist I was allegedly being.

ipso facto...

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09-01-2020 , 12:03 AM

#123

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Unfortunately for both of us, I couldn't figure out a way to word it that wouldn't result in needing to spend the next 4 hours of my life dealing with a derail about how racist I was allegedly being.

FTFY.

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09-01-2020 , 03:46 AM

#124

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Ins0,

If you can not communicate without sounding racist, you are definitely racist.

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09-01-2020 , 09:32 AM

#125

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Originally Posted by markksman

In order to promote a common ground, I would like everyone to confirm they fully agree we should have a zero tolerance policy towards police officers murdering citizens, in the United States.

I think this is a good starting point and can not imagine anyone not agreeing with this.

First day here ?

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