What does this have to do with not seeing color? You haven't even addressed anything I said.

You're seeing color in companies making excuses not involving color for closing stores in places with almost no black people.

I guarantee the majority of shoplifters are on the lower income bracket especially organized shoplifters that aren't in if for the fun(more so organized groups probably aren't declaring that money on taxes). You can extrapolate race from income brackets from there if you want.

no i'm seeing reality. they made up a reason to close those stores that doesn't align with what's actually happening and they sold it to people like you who think crime is rampant in Portland and others who think that some of portland burnt down during BLM protests..

it doesn't matter how many black people are somewhere, if there is 1 black person they are likely trying to blame it on that one black person. i've lived in communities like that. saying there are few to no minorities in a place so they must not be stereotyping them isn't a win.

There is so much police brutality in the US that all we have talked about in the police brutality thread for weeks is if BLM was a net positive for the black community and which group is made up of a higher % of minorities: organized shoplifter or unorganized shoplifters (which slighted thinks is important for some reason).

They don't need to 'sell it' to people like me, I couldn't care less if they close their stores.
Who exactly do you think they are trying to fool, and why would they need to fool those people?

obviously enough people that it was news stories for months because media and the general population LOVE fearmongering stories. and that i've had this exact discussion multiple times in multiple threads with people on this small poker forum that were convinced there was a plague of shoplifting going on.

if you don't care then why do you seem to care if the reason isn't the one you thought it was?

the BLM movement was extremely positive for both the black community and society as a whole. if racists felt attacked by the idea that black lives matter than that is the sole responsibility of the racists. racism should be confronted to it's face in every situation.

the BLM*tm* organization turned out to be poorly run and not indicative of the movement in any real sense, but i know that's what you want to attack.

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I know there has been a lot more shoplifting in Portland, I've seen it myself and the cashiers talk about it all the time. I just don't think it is mostly black people doing the shoplifting like you seem to.

I'm just discussing it because want to see where you get these ideas that absolutely everything is about race.

Incompetent store planners want to blame other things for their failure; sure that's very possible. They must be therefore blaming black people; this makes no sense.

i get it.. you're doing the raised by wolves, never experienced reality, there's not context beyond expressly written words bit. it's just tired and played out.

What? I lived over 50 years without ever seeing anyone shoplifting, and at one time I even worked in supermarkets. I have seen it twice in Portland in the last few years.
I also hear store workers talk about it often, which I had never heard before.

Do you think that's likely to all be coincidence? Do you actually believe shoplifting has not increased in Portland over the last few years?

i dont know about portland specifically, but shoplifting is NOT up in the last few years nationwide. fearmongering and media coverage about shoplifting is most certainly up a lot.

ny times.

shrink is the best actual measure, since stores can just make up whatever shoplifting number they want to, as evidenced by what happened with the retail foundation stuff.

This is neither her nor there. Just something I remember.

I worked in a grocery store in Houston that was adjacent to a high school. It was in the Memorial neighborhood which was all rich white kids. We had a routine every morning in the store. Before school started someone would stand at the end of each aisle to make sure the kids that came in didn't shoplift. We had to because it was a big problem there at the time.

I worked in other stores and saw all sorts of shoplifting. Way back when before cigarettes were locked up, we caught a guy that had taken a trash can off the shelf and filled it with cartons of cigarettes. It was so heavy he couldn't lift it so he was dragging it out the front door.

I worked in one store that had an off-duty state trooper scout for shoplifters. He caught at least one, usually more, every shift.

i would also be willing to bet that every store that has decided to lock things up on the shelves, has ALSO decreased the number of employees they have working each shift.

it's more of a cost cutting strategy to run skeleton crews everywhere than to run an extra employee or two that might deter a lot of the shoplifting that does occur.

It doesn't matter how many employees are in the store, they are told not to mess with anyone who is shoplifting. The stores around here almost always have at least one armed security guard, often more than one. They don't deter many people, because the shoplifters know they aren't going to stop anyone.

employees present does deter shoplifting, that's fairly obvious. they also shouldn't attempt to stop shoplifting that has already occurred.. no one should, other than the actual police. vigilante stuff is bad.



all this stuff is foxnews mainlining.. lol.

I have never watched Fox news. This is from what I have seen and what store employees have directly told me. They have been told to let anyone walk out with whatever. The guards are just there for the protection of customers. I understand it seems like more employees present should deter shoplifters, but after someone finds out they have been told not to stop anyone, the word gets around quickly I am sure.

yes. i have not attempted to attack your anecdotal evidence on the idea that stores shouldn't go vigilante on shoplifters.. vigilante action is a massive civil liability.. this is and should be the case in any civilized society.. stores should obviously tell their employees not to attempt to stop crime, and civilians shouldn't either..

the whole shoplifting thing is boomer foxnews style talking points that got circulated on local news to rile up the olds. it's not a real problem.

I wouldn't consider a guard preventing a theft to be 'vigilante action', I thought that kind of thing happened all the time until recently.

Actually I don't watch local TV news either. I get my local news from the local NPR station and the local alternative weekly newspaper. Neither are known for their Fox news style coverage.

How much Fox News do you watch anyway? You seem to spend a lot of time with them.
Maybe instead of watching Fox and inferring the opposite of everything they say is true, you should follow a news source you find likely to be at least mostly credible.

whats so funny?

This could be you:





crazy people are pooping in the streets and nobody does anything. and then they throw their feces EVERY day on business owners.

more nonesense: crazy homeless just stabs random people with scissors. so many stories like this..

Washoe, of course you’re going to get stabbed with scissors in Los Angeles. That’s where all the globalists live.

Remember that the problem that both sides are trying to fix is not allowing bad men to have guns in public. In its simplest form, Dems attempt to maximize the amount of bad men in public (being super lenient on crime) while trying to minimize the amount of guns (pass stricter gun laws) while repubs try to minimize the amount of bad men in public (harsh on crime) and maximize the guns (lenient on guns).

We can go back and forth on which side has the best policy to reduce gun violence in America, but to suggest one side isn't doing anything while the other is doing everything is complete nonsense.

Lol @Dems being super lenient on crime. Just because Hannity told you this, doesn't make it true. He's a plumber.

Do you ever run any of your thoughts by a common sense filter? You clearly don't understand how unhinged you sound to normal people. Do you live in some sort of bubble where there is literally nobody sane around to tell you how far down the rabbit hole you've gone?