It's either evidence or it's trash. Either way don't chuck it on the backseat of the guy's car.

I suspect your obviously correct statement will receive one of two responses from the usual Gang of Peabrains around here:

1. Saying that makes you a racist.

2. Saying that means that you are blaming the victim.

Nothing promotes the cause of Social Justice quite like looting and/or burning down local businesses.

This!

At the very least the handling of evidence here was highly unprofessional.

Black/brown people in gangs bad.

30s gangsters, Mafia, Billy the Kid/Butch&Sundance etc---great flicks man. Part of our amazing History!

Keep away from the pacific northwest, please. The ambient heat alone from that hot take is likely to start another million acres ablaze from maybe miles away.

Already have 80acs in CA and have for ages So far the only time fire's been a real threat to my place the fire burned thru a couple of neighbors places(one of the neighbors had a truck catch on fire near their prop corner and burned some neighbors places--kinda messed up) and died out prob 20-30ft from my barn. Was super close though. A house I used to rent out there did get wiped out in one of the fires a few years ago.

It was insane how much equip they brought for what was like a 300ac fire--easily 50 pieces of equipment/helis/dozers etc. Ground crews were there for a solid week after they got it under control too. I took some stuff to the dump a few days after that--and there were 3 gigantic piles of what looked like all brand new fire hose just tossed out--kinda blew me away.

What is the likely hood that the "abolish the police" was in part a clever right wing hit job? Luckbox?

You literally more than doubled your fear-based rednecks firearms stockpile in one year with and cops are even more amped up to harass and kill POC and now left wingers they feel as a threat. Furthermore, abolishing was always a pipe-dream to begin with and the Biden Admin is against it.

And let's not forget the lovely and talented duo Bonnie and Clyde!

There was even a short-lived sitcom in the early 1970's based on 1930's gangsters called The Chicago Teddy Bears.

Why even have a discussion if you are gonna just make up arguments?

And it's the libs that use race. I would just say that his statement is stupid and pointless.

I mean what is his argument anyway? Crime rate isnt 0 so there should be an occupying army terrorizing the citizens?

Looked pretty harmless to me. I'm guessing (hoping) that since it was an empty baggy they don't plan on arresting anyone if that's all they find.

I'm now more interested in why those two were pulled over.

Could well be that they didn't plan on anything, but you don't search one guy and then take things off him and put it on the back seat of someone else's car. Seeing a baggy is exactly the type of thing the cops will use to say they had reason to search a car so it looks very suspicious to the driver who might legitimately have no idea what it is the cop's just put there.

The driver has no idea what the cop is planning to use, or what he thinks of an empty baggy, or whether one of the other cops will now see it and deem it the car owner's. Empty baggies are exactly the type of thing cops will use as reasonable suspicion and so it definitely shouldn't be chucked on someone's car seat.

I'll let Ins0 speak for himself, but I'm pretty sure that's not his argument.

I happened to listen to a "Stuff You Should Know" podcast the other day about Stranger Danger. It discussed how much long term societal harm the media hype of a few instances of child abduction did back in the 80s.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that your child can't be left unattended in the back yard for more than 10 minutes without being stolen and dumped headless into a creek, but they made the case that it's pretty much how a huge percentage of parents in the 80s and 90s thought. It's not very long and it's on Spotify. Worth a listen.

The same thing is happening with regard to the extreme language used to talk about cops. Every year tens of millions of interactions with the police go exactly as they should. A miniscule number do not, but they get 100% of the attention. Now you have idiots on the internet claiming that all cops are out there looking for brown people to murder.

"Occupying army terrorizing the citizens" is just standard Victor nonsense, but I have no doubt that he actually believes it, and he isn't alone. Unfortunately, people like him are also the loudest voices and first to grab the closest news reporter microphone when given the opportunity.

This baggie situation is just as overblown, but I don't have it in me to fight the stupidity on this one. You're welcome to your opinions.

Another huge LOL to anyone who doesn't think that baggie had drugs in it at one point.

Whenever a cop shoots and kills a citizen, it's a big story nationally (as well it should be).

There are probably citizen on citizen murders in Chicago that don't even make the lead story on the front page of the Chicago Tribune.

The average black person probably has about a 100X greater probability of being murdered by his neighbor than by a cop. And yet the media hysteria has little old ladies afraid to leave their apartments because they might get killed by a cop.

Apparently, the only time Black Lives Matter is when the murderer is a cop.

Have you seen anything that makes you think that? Or is it just because they are black? Other???

Honest question as I have seen no details and just went for a 5 hour hike this past weekend and had a very similar baggie in the car empty after I ate the small handful of dark chocolate almonds I took as my sugar snack for the hike.

Yes 'it should be'.


Yes.


That is a poor extrapolation.

We all know crime happens and want that reduced and eliminated where possible. That said 'criminals gonna criminal' and thus it is pretty hard to make them follow the law.


Cops are very different. They SHOULD follow the law and they are paid and given special power to PROTECT AND SERVE the citizenry.

So yes, one cop mercilessly kneeling on the neck of a man until he is dead is rightly seen as multiples more egregious by the citizenry than the types of crimes criminals subject them to.

If a robber, stole your property and you called the police who then showed up and robbed you the latter would be considered worse as it involves an abuse of power and trust.

Be honest. Was it a Ziploc bag?

Yes. i do love the versatility of my ziplocks.



Now an answer to my question, if you will?

You already answered for me. The baggie in question was not a zipper style bag, and these guys managed to get themselves pulled over by the police and hauled out of the car for a search.

Given all of the facts above, I estimate the odds of that cheap baggie not having been home to some sort of drug to be very, very low.

He was not just hanging on to some almonds for a snack later.

So is your theory that drugs, marijuana and cocaine are not carried in Ziploc bags and if it was Ziploc you would be saying 'definatley innocent'? As I know that is not accurate.

And what is "all the above"? Bullet point it for me? Or edit and clarify these...

- cops pulling any POC over suggests guilt?
- Ziploc bag would make you think innocent? but non Ziploc makes you think guilty?
- other?

You're not this dense.

We're watching the very end of that stop, and multiple officers were on site. These guys were pulled over for something, the first cop called backup and the driver did whatever was necessary to get himself hauled out of the car to be searched. Upon searching this person who already has several strikes against him, they find a cheap baggie. This kid almost certainly smokes weed or whatever else involves cheap disposable baggies.

Do kids in Canada not do drugs or something? It's pretty popular here in the USA. It's not a racial thing. Lots of white people ruin their lives with drugs too, don't worry. Drugs are an equal opportunity destroyer of humanity.

I think it is a dense position to assume cops never pull over POC and pull them out of the car even when they have done nothing.

We have countless examples of police, guns drawn, calling for back up and ordering POC out of the cars for nothing other than them asking 'what was I pulled over for?'

That does not say that it is not possible but you would need to be dense to think your assumptions alone are enough proof to state it as if definitive, in the way you do.

How many examples do you need me to quote again of POC walking, driving or other, who have done nothing wrong, being stopped by police who call for back up and that is not proof of anything wrong other then the POC excerpting their constitutional rights?

Lol at believing the cop and whatever he was doing throwing it in the car (trying to make the crime apply to other people in the car or something?) he should go to prison for.

And again, lol at believing the cop that threw the drugs in the car got it from one of the passengers.

Of course it was drugs. Why in the world would a cop throw a bag of almonds on the car seat when he thought he wasn't being seen?