Ok. So homeless people clearly struggling with cognition or any other person clearly dealing with mental issues, simply for 'resisting an order', can rightfully be taken down as if a violent perp?

What about a blind or deaf person not complying?

Serious question as you seem to completely disconnect this from any type of 'Proportional response' and instead go with 'lack of compliance equals justification'.

You don't believe police should be limited to a Proportional Response and blames for it when they don't whether the person is 90 years old or in a wheel chair or looks to be a 16 year old teen all of 100lbs dealing with severe social anxiety like Elijah McClain, do you.

In the end it is simply 'don't comply and die' or 'get beat to sh*t' even if you are physically incapable of fighting back.

Wow.

-'knowingly' (she had dementia)
-Threats of physical force (she was 73 years old and weighed about 80 pounds)
-and she was trying to walk home which was not causing a risk to the officer.

There was no 'resisting' arrest in that incident.
Just an old, confused lady getting the crap beat out of her for a few long, painful minutes and then no medical attention back at the jail.

Those are facts. I think you're creating the narrative here.

So, she actively resisting is considered a narrative? The word you're looking for is characterization. And I don't see a person with dementia any different from a sane person resisting. It looks pretty much like the same thing. Resistance is resistance. You have the benefit of knowing she had dementia while watching that.

This is pointless. I honestly think some of you people are loons, at this point.

https://www.powerdms.com/public/LOVE...cuments/244624

Even the cops understand that you have to take factors such as age, size, diminished mental capacity into account when you use force to take a person into custody.

It's pretty obvious here that the cop is not only a terrible human being but didn't follow his own department's policies on use of force.

And yet here you are. Defending them no matter what. As always. And it's everyone else who is lost. lol

It's not defending. You act like her having dementia is something a cop instantly is supposed to f****** know. That's a b******* standard that you asserted from the very f****** beginning. You are just feeding the narrative.

It's why the article led off with her having dementia in order to frame it for you and you bought it. It's colered your entire perspective. Remember I don't want to discuss this particular instance, I'm just proving it's whatever you want it to be. You want it to be evil, so it's evil.

Actually I'm just going by the cop's employers policy.
You just said to hold the civilian leadership responsible but it seems like they put reasonable policies in place. So now it's on the cop and his superiors for not going by them. Right ?

Even if she didn't have dementia (which it was pretty easy to guess she did given how she was walking down the road picking up weeds) the use of force was way too much for the situation. Period. End of story. Anything else is your narrative of 'people should learn to comply'. Which is just your own way of dealing with hard situations and not objective truth.

Okay, there's many reasons for somebody to behave irrationally. If the use of force was too much you wouldn't be f****** bringing up dementia. It's either too much or it's not. You don't have to turn the victim into some sort of fictional martyr. You had to make it worse than what it was.

How could the cops possibly know she’s an elderly lady. Lucky they didn’t open fire immediately.

Another dishonest goal post shift. Old people resist arrest. I know you are concerned with the working conditions for working criminals... At least be f****** honest about how you're describing the things you have problems with. You can't, though.

IHIV is a person who classifies anything other than full submittal to a cops words as 'resisting'.

"Resisting' then justifies any force the cop thinks necessary to get compliance.


This obviously old and obviously feeble woman could also be in a wheel chair and it would make not ounce of difference to him because 'it is possible for a person in a wheelchair to resist too'.

"Resistance is resistance" and people who think proportionality belongs in this discussion are the problem.

Nah, it's about as bad as can be all on it's own.

The fact that you don't know that is disturbing.

The problem with the interaction isn't that she had dementia, it's that the cop used too much force.
The fact that she had dementia just makes it worse.

Welcome to America

Anyone can get a gun if they really want to. Even in Chiraq, a handgun ban does nothing to stop a straw buyer or anyone going to Gary, Indiana to bring some merchandise back...

The United States of America failed him.

She did not resist arrest. If she did she would have been prosecuted.

She resisted the officers commands and he responded by using a disgusting amount of force for a disgusting amount of time.

It turns out she didn't have the capacity to follow his commands and it's his job to figure that out, according to his employer's policy.

Everyone knows he's a screw up except you.

lol, HIV would still be 100% on board with the cops roughing her if they knew she had dementia. Probably disappointed they didn’t give her a macing for good measure.

I seen a older lady resisting, and the cop used force to restrain her. I don't know if any force you use against an old lady that would look appropriate, but I also believe even old people resist, and need to be restrained with force when they do, and it's never going to look good.

I just understand these things are a type I/ type II problems. There will be bad outcomes.

Right.

You don't agree with the Loveland police policy. You think all non-compliance should be met with maximum force.

you're as much of a psycho as the arresting officer. jfc.

Also, for the record, they don't need to be 'restrained' for 'resisting'.
Read the policy.

Tell us truly, that cop is your son. right ?

Pepper spray has actually less long-term injuries than physical Force, but you all would be hating on the cop for using pepper spray.

"Maximum Force"? You are a joke. Stop pretending you know what I think. You're making s*** up, as you always do.

Once again proving my point... It's whatever you want it to be, bro.

Man, I thought I was a black and white thinker.

The nuns must have beat him good. lol

That was honestly about the maximum force he could use in that encounter.

He even slammed her cell phone down trying to break if for good measure.


Are you saying you think he should have used more ?

The cop could have shot her and this trolling clown would be victim-blaming.

There could have been a legion of colossal men are dressing up as old women to steal from convenient stores. This person may have been real but it's better to play it safe.

Seems that way. Man.

IHIV be 100% honest here.

If they pulled out a taser and started repeat blasting her with it until she complied would you be arguing that was justified? (I am assuming you are fine with this).


If they shot her for resisting would you be ok? (I am going to assume that, and only that, you might say would not be justified)

(Edit, adding in Pepper Spray since it was raised and hope you comment on that too. (This one I think is a no brainer that you think her getting pepper sprayed would be totally justified)).