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08-08-2020 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What if I told you that authoritarianism was evil, but communism (although not how it was practiced by noted Communist authoritarian dictators in the 20th century) was literally in the Bible?
Voluntary communalism is taught in the Bible. Only applies to believers, not to all of society.
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08-08-2020 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Is communism worse than nazism?
Nazism is 100 on your scale. Communism (as actually practiced in the 20th century) is 90.
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08-08-2020 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
wet work... You don't know anything about Ireland. So don't talk about it.
Imagine if someone said that to CV about America.
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08-08-2020 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
So the police had an obligation to kneel on Floyd's neck until he was dead ?

You're right. That was relevant.
The pro police murder contingent here are big fans of the police murdering black guys who are drunk. Who was the guy asleep at Wendy’s the police murdered for being drunk?

At least we know “Being Black + Being Drunk + Being in vicinity of police = murder victim”
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08-08-2020 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
The pro police murder contingent here are big fans of the police murdering black guys who are drunk. Who was the guy asleep at Wendy’s the police murdered for being drunk?

At least we know “Being Black + Being Drunk + Being in vicinity of police = murder victim”
+ resisting arrest. I know i'm being a bit pedantic but let's at least try to be accurate here. Not that resisting arrest in any way justifies murder.
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08-08-2020 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
The pro police murder contingent here are big fans of the police murdering black guys who are drunk. Who was the guy asleep at Wendy’s the police murdered for being drunk?

At least we know “Being Black + Being Drunk + Being in vicinity of police = murder victim”
Who are you talking about? Please name names. Thanks.
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08-08-2020 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Quickly Floyd’s fentanyl level was 11 nanograms per milliliter.

Tyler Skaggs an Angels pitcher who died last year from a fentanyl OD had a level of 3.8 nanos.

Tyler Skaggs Tragedy

More on this later but no it is not attacking Floyd. Rather it is about the specter of raising reasonable doubt at a trial. Chauvin doesn’t have to prove he is innocent.
Reasonable doubt of what exactly?

“I knew Floyd was on 11 nanograms of fentanyl and we all know the only way to deal with that is to kneel on their neck until they die and then another 4-5 minutes just to be sure.”

You guys who keep throwing up stuff would be funny if we were not talking about someone murdered in cold blood. I know you said you were not attacking him so please explain how that moves to reasonable doubt.

Perhaps the only thing police are qualified to do are deal with people under the influence. Chauvin demonstrated what happens when incompetence and racism collides.

I do understand your point but all it does is further illuminate the systemic racism in this country where that detail would have any impact on an actual jury. The drugged out black must have deserved to be murdered.
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08-08-2020 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Nazism is 100 on your scale. Communism (as actually practiced in the 20th century) is 90.
So as an ideology communism is not 90 out of 100 as you ascribed. Rather the Soviet Union, Mao's China, and a few other countries are rated as such by yourself.

I would certainly quibble over that as well but maybe it's just your reading comprehension that is poor rather than your moral compass.

To be clear, to equate an ideology that proposes that the creators and producers of value items actually keep the wealth from those items along with the natural resources rather than a select few oligarchs and corporate cartels profiting entirely from such things, with an ideology of explicit oppression and genocide is completely devoid of either morality or intelligent analysis, and hopefully it's the latter.
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08-08-2020 , 02:34 PM
Victor, communism "as actually practiced in the 20th century" did not have "creators and producers of value items actually keep the wealth from those items" but was in fact much closer to "an ideology of explicit oppression and genocide".
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08-08-2020 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
Is communism worse than nazism?
You keep bringing that up trying to insinuate something that is not true..
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08-08-2020 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps resisting arrest is not a good idea? Just a thought. And I must emphasize again resisting arrest is no justification for murder, but it does seem to lead to bad outcomes sometimes.
Checks out. Who was saying it's a good idea?
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08-08-2020 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Victor, communism "as actually practiced in the 20th century" did not have "creators and producers of value items actually keep the wealth from those items" but was in fact much closer to "an ideology of explicit oppression and genocide".
Reread the post. I didn't claim such.

However, I would still argue Soviet Union was far better for it's population, esp in terms of the above criteria, than what came before and after.
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08-08-2020 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
Reread the post. I didn't claim such.

However, I would still argue Soviet Union was far better for it's population, esp in terms of the above criteria, than what came before and after.
What you wrote is that equating communism with Nazism is either evil or stupid. What did I misread?

Not that what came either before or after was/is exactly great, but you'd still be wrong.
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08-08-2020 , 03:01 PM
Just some VIOLENT RIOTERS using SHIELDS to ASSAULT some police batons.

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08-08-2020 , 03:07 PM
As an ideology, I would rate communism as about an 80 on the evil scale.
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08-08-2020 , 03:08 PM
And where's capitalism?
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08-08-2020 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
And where's capitalism?
I'm placing capitalism below communism, how bout you?
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08-08-2020 , 03:40 PM
I'm not sure. While exterminating millions through forced famine is incredibly evil, unchecked and unsustainable greed that could lead to the deaths of billions while lying about the consequences and culpability thereof is pretty damn bad, too.
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08-08-2020 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What if I told you that authoritarianism was evil, but communism (although not how it was practiced by noted Communist authoritarian dictators in the 20th century) was literally in the Bible?
I would tell you that you are culpably and foolishly mistaken, and I would add that many US 'liberals' are not liberals at all but merely Moscow-line Communists who have had to call themselves something else since the 1950s.
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08-08-2020 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Just some VIOLENT RIOTERS using SHIELDS to ASSAULT some police batons.

That is in the streets of suburban Portland, with not a single federal officer in sight. It is almost as if the media was gaslighting us all along, and federal officers weren't the actual problem.

Also later that same night several hours after police had declared a riot and the rioters had refused to leave.



Again, imagine this was going on in the streets of your suburb, with your family trying to sleep feet away. I imagine you would be a little less sympathetic to the rioters if that was the case.

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08-08-2020 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Nazism is 100 on your scale. Communism (as actually practiced in the 20th century) is 90.
How did you come to that decision? If going by deaths and human suffering, communism should be much higher.
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08-08-2020 , 03:57 PM
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08-08-2020 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
However, I would still argue Soviet Union was far better for it's population, esp in terms of the above criteria, than what came before and after.
And you would be wrong. Wrong in the multi-megadeath range of wrongness.
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08-08-2020 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
I'm not sure. While exterminating millions through forced famine is incredibly evil, unchecked and unsustainable greed that could lead to the deaths of billions while lying about the consequences and culpability thereof is pretty damn bad, too.
Lol. Capitalism is the most humane idea that has ever come to the human race. To not think that is stupid and evil.
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08-08-2020 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by esspoker
Lol. Capitalism is the most humane idea that has ever come to the human race. To not think that is stupid and evil.
You forget, it's not perfect so it's terribad. Consequently it leads to the desire for a socialist utopia.
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