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08-05-2020 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Are you calling into question if BLM is extorting these businesses?

As pointed out multiple times ITT BLM members said their business would be "****ed with" as well as get protested against, called out on social media and they would set up tents outside their business to compete with them unless they followed their demands to hire and buy things from black people or paid them 1.5% of their revenues.

Saying hire us or pay us or we will hurt you is eerily similar to how webster describes extortion.

The letter is "threatening" them with a boycott and putting them on blast on Twitter. You guys are transparently dishonest as always.
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08-05-2020 , 02:27 PM
LOOOOOOOL

right-wingers who can't imagine "****ed with" means anything other than property damage ITT! Incredible
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08-05-2020 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by micro dong
Maybe you don't get many women in the crabbing industry because they don't like it.
Plenty of women in the crabbing industry actually. Who do you think picks all those crabs?
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08-05-2020 , 02:33 PM
the video proved that there was nothing racist about the cops involved in the case

the cops gave george floyd plenty of opportunities to comply

how hard it is for cops to deal with someone drugged off his face with mental problems not wanting to comply

yet here we are still bashing the police lol
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08-05-2020 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
yet here we are still bashing the police lol
Imagine writing this about the murder of George Floyd like they had no other choice lol
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08-05-2020 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
the video proved that there was nothing racist about the cops involved in the case

the cops gave george floyd plenty of opportunities to comply

how hard it is for cops to deal with someone drugged off his face with mental problems not wanting to comply

yet here we are still bashing the police lol
Pretty easy if you just kill them, I guess.
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08-05-2020 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
LOOOOOOOL

right-wingers who can't imagine "****ed with" means anything other than property damage ITT! Incredible
If you're a restaurant, simply having fake bad reviews can destroy your business.

With covid-19, simply booking tables and no-showing can damage a business.

But yes, if you're too busy to watch the news 10 hours a day, a threat from BLM implies potential property damage. Whose fault is that?

Extortion is based on the threat not the threat being carried out.
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08-05-2020 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Social media callouts, property damage, same thing!
At least you can claim on insurance if peaceful protestors burn your place down. At least that's what they say.
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08-05-2020 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by micro dong
If you're a restaurant, simply having fake bad reviews can destroy your business.
LOL yeah we all know how much right-wingers respect the sanctity of honest restaurant reviews

gtfoh with your concern trolling bullshit

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Originally Posted by micro dong
But yes, if you're too busy to watch the news 10 hours a day, a threat from BLM implies potential property damage. Whose fault is that?
"It's their fault I'm uninformed" is a very on-brand take for you
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08-05-2020 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Social media callouts, property damage, same thing!
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The letter is "threatening" them with a boycott and putting them on blast on Twitter. You guys are transparently dishonest as always.
ignorance is bliss, I guess. acting like any of what those guys are doing is acceptable is mind blowingly ignorant
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08-05-2020 , 03:18 PM
And to be clear, I don't think 'Natural Bias' makes a person bad. We all have it.

It does become deeply problematic in work place settings where for a period of time you have very unnatural biases at play that deeply impact the workplace.

I invite any one who does not think women and POC generally in the workplace did not deserve some attempts to 'level the playing field' to go through my bullet points below and say which one you don't think is applicable. Just quote the # and reply. No need to quote it.


1 - Overt exclusions such as Slavery, followed by Jim Crow laws, followed by Glass ceiling practices, meant POC and Women were largely excluded from fair participation in the work place could fairly be called hundreds of years of White Male affirmative action.

2 -The last of those 'overt exclusions', Glass Ceilings, has been actively grappled with by corporations voluntarily into the early 90's and those procedures/practices put in place are still largely at play today, as assessment tools and pushed via education and training.

Therefore

3 - due to Slavery, then Jim Crow, then Glass Ceiling, the ranks of employees and Management got unfairly flooded with that white male demographic. That doesn't mean they are unqualified, just that they had no competition. That is an unfair advantage.

4 - if you assume a 45-year average work career span many of those white males will still be in positions they got unfairly promoted too, but most will be retiring or retired now

5 - it means -30 years ago, and prior, they were starting the careers of the next ranks of mostly white males, into Mid and Upper Management, due to the same existing exclusions

6 - now none of these white males heading into Management necessarily have an overt bias, but there should be no denying we all have subconscious biases.

7 - A subconscious bias can lead us to tend to sympathize, empathize, favor or prefer, people who remind us of our own journey,... our son or daughter, ...or people who grew up doing the same kinds of things in the same home countries ('ya I played soccer in Scotland too') over those we may not only feel no connection to but see their journey as foreign (came here as a refugee fleeing war as a child).

8 - When presented with more than one equally qualified candidate, based on resume alone, the 'in person interview process' often favors soft traits. 'How does the Manager think this person will fit', 'were they relatable', etc and it cannot help but be factored in to the hiring decisions, even if only subconsciously.

9 - It is that last element, the non-conscious subtle creep of bias, that 'equity workplace efforts' try to address.

10- To simply have the Manager (and remember the bulk are still white due to unfair practices but it HAS been changing for the better), look around and ask 'WHY', if indeed their workforce is not showing the type of equity it should, based on applicant pool and demographics, can make them aware of subconscious bias and address it fairly.
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08-05-2020 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
We're really going to blame drugs in this forum every single time a cop kills a black man.
As well as unnecessarily mention race as often as possible while ignoring the actual context of George Floyd's death which wasn't actually race related but was over an alleged counterfeit $20. Facts? Who needs 'em.
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08-05-2020 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
George Floyd's death which wasn't actually race related
lol. Why does this forum even exist? Clearly no one ever learns anything here.

Imagine thinking his race had nothing to do with him getting killed over a counterfeit $20
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08-05-2020 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by xnbomb
ignorance is bliss, I guess. acting like any of what those guys are doing is acceptable is mind blowingly ignorant
Sorry, has there been actual property damage I'm ignorant of? Could you provide a link so I can be informed? I have seen some of the social media blasts, however, so that's a real thing.
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08-05-2020 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345
No but my father and brother are.. We speak about the case often and the footage released yesterday is troubling for the states case. They will need to reduce charges to secure conviction
I doubt if the footage will make a difference for Chauvin, he's gonna go down no matter what imo.
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08-05-2020 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by xnbomb
Such disingenuous arguments.

Hiring practices that are anything beyond most qualified are asinine and an awful way to run a business, and trying to extort businesses into doing anything but that is just as asinine.
strawman argument. very disingenuous.

You are acting like the fields where you might see 'equity' being PART of the focus in hiring are ones where typically or often or even normally there is only one qualified person, and they are definitely 'most qualified'.

I don't think that exists at all and certainly not to a point of statistical significance. I've been involved in hiring for most of my career and have never had a case where there was only one person in the world who could fill that job. And in fields where that is the case, (need a neurosurgeon and only one applies) that person will get the job.



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Originally Posted by micro dong
I dunno. Blacked.com? I don't think it makes sense to look at where people are overrepresented. That's not generally a good way to spot discrimination. Maybe you don't get many women in the crabbing industry because they don't like it. On the other hand you can prove people are being pushed out by asking if a business is fulfilling quota demands.
haha.

The 'women or POC' not getting hired due to inequity and thus the white males having their own form of affirmative action via 'exclusion' of others, is not something we should concern ourselves with. Let it ride.

Now however if you try to adjust such that a single Woman or POC gets.. that is something that is bad and needs to be stopped.

Discrimination whether by EXCLUSION or INCLUSION are both problems. Considering people of equal merit and ensuring equal opportunity is not the problem.
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08-05-2020 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lvr
You will have people defend this man to the ends of the earth while people like Herman Cain are shunned because they stayed true to their principles even at the risk of his own life.
Would this the principle of science denial, or the principle of sophistry?
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08-05-2020 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
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Do you have source that shows with all else equal women and POC have been and still are discriminated against by corporate hiring practices?
Employers' Replies to Racial Names


Minorities Who 'Whiten' Job Resumes Get More Interviews


Study: anti-black hiring discrimination is as prevalent today as it was in 1989


Women are 30 percent less likely to be considered for a hiring process than men
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08-05-2020 , 03:54 PM
Yea, let's take it down a notch or three in here please.

The topic is tense and racially charged enough without adding in personal attacks or deliberately incendiary posting.
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08-05-2020 , 03:58 PM
Racially charged cuz of race baiters, so expect contempt to ensue.
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08-05-2020 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
lol. Why does this forum even exist? Clearly no one ever learns anything here.

Imagine thinking his race had nothing to do with him getting killed over a counterfeit $20
There is nothing to learn here, you see race in everything. I don't so I'm not interested in your narrative.
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08-05-2020 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
As well as unnecessarily mention race as often as possible while ignoring the actual context of George Floyd's death which wasn't actually race related but was over an alleged counterfeit $20. Facts? Who needs 'em.
It's not necessarily a crime to pass a hooky bill, though in Floyd's case, given his history, it probably was a crime and he probably knew it was hooky. But, because of the historic 'us and them' element, it's claimed, with some plausibility, that the police officers would have acted with more restraint and respect, and would have been less likely to kill him -- flat-out kill him, leaving nothing to chance, in full public view -- if he hadn't been black.
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08-05-2020 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I don't so I'm not interested in your narrative.
Right, this is the same **** you've been doing since Ahmaud Arbery was killed:

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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Again I'm taking this on board. However my pet bugbear is false narratives in criminal cases and the racism angle could well be a false narrative. So again at present I don't see a racist motive here and prefer to wait until more facts come to light. If a history of racism is uncovered wrt the McMichaels I'll readily acknowledge this but so far there hasn't been anything like that uncovered and I reckon it would have surfaced by now, so again at present I'll reserve judgement.
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
You don't know that and have no way of knowing what they were thinking and have offered absolutely nothing to base your claim on other than the victim was black & the killers (and hopefully soon to be convicted murderers) were white.
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There's been no evidence of this provided as a motivation to kill Mr Arbery, by those proclaiming racism as a motive/factor.
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Because he was black? Again we've nothing solid to base this on except presumption due to the races involved.
We got pages and pages about "how dare you call it racism until we know for sure it's racism, if it was racism we would probably know by now" when it was plainly ****ing obvious from the start it was racism. You live thousands of miles away and don't understand contemporary American society, yet will never stop doubting your ability to accurately gauge racism in a country you don't live in, no matter how often your skepticism is shown to be unwarranted. It's incredible.
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08-05-2020 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Racially charged cuz of race baiters, so expect contempt to ensue.
"This topic, which spurred the largest protests against racial injustice in over 50 years, is only racially charged cuz of race baiters" hahahahaha you slay me
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08-05-2020 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And the "intent" can be implied and not explicit.

Meaning if swing a shovel at your head. full strength and kill you, I did not have to have the explicit intent to kill you but since it is 'implied' or should be known, that action could likely cause death, then that is enough for Murder 2.

What you're describing sounds more like Murder 3. Relevant jury instruction bits from a different MN case:
http://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/...ions042919.pdf
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MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE—ELEMENTS

Third, the defendant Mohamed Noor acted with the intent to kill Justine Ruszczyk or another person. To find the defendant Mohamed Noor had an “intent to kill,” you must find the defendant Mohamed Noor acted with the purpose of causing death, or believed the act would have that result. Intent, being process of the mind, is not always susceptible to proof by direct evidence, but may be inferred from all the circumstances surrounding the event. It is not necessary that the defendant Mohamed Noor's act be premeditated.
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MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE—DEPRAVED MlND—ELEMENTS

Third, the defendant Mohamed Noor's intentional act, which caused the death of Justine Ruszczyk, was eminently dangerous to human beings and was performed without regard for human life. Such an act may not be specifically intended to cause death, and may not be specifically directed at the particular person whose death occurred, but it is committed in reckless or wanton manner with the knowledge that someone may be killed and with heedless disregard of that happening.
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