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05-27-2020 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What is the right and proper amount of time between when a person is recorded kneeling on the neck of another person until he dies and when the kneeler gets arrested?
Should be IMMEDIETELY get arrested of course.

I mean everyone can see the tape. No leave or probation necessary. Immediate punishment I mean it's f murder!
Wtf? I can't imagine that if that was my country.

And I once lived in the USA! Now I almost hate the USA for what it stands for.
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05-27-2020 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
I do find it ironic that if it was President Trump tweeting to pressure attorney's to do his bidding, we would all be outraged it was clear abuse of separation of powers (justifiably); but when the mayor of Minneapolis does it in this case it is ok?
With bated breath I await the Daily Mail recap of this event.
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05-27-2020 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
57 on Red seems to be very sensitive to government over-reach in ways you don't appear to be.

So I wanted to get his thoughts on how appropriate the tweet in question was, given his use of it. I have no doubt you are perfectly ok with mayors using twitter to pressure DA's to make charges.
Give an example of the office Holder Trump would be tweeting at who was not a subordinate that is comparable to this case.

I will hang up and listen.
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05-27-2020 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
With bated breath I await the Daily Mail recap of this event.
It was a hypothetical (that has probably happened numerous times). Do you think such an act is beyond Trump? I don't.

The only difference is I think you would be critical of Trump doing so, but are apparently perfectly ok with it in this case?

Is that more or less correct?

I will hang up and listen.
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05-27-2020 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
It was a hypothetical (that has probably happened numerous times). Do you think such an act is beyond Trump? I don't.

The only difference is I think you would be critical of Trump doing so, but are apparently perfectly ok with it in this case?

Is that more or less correct?
I lack an exhaustive memory of all the hilarious things Trump has said and done in his time in office, but I'd bet money that he's probably tweeted at Republican congressmen at some point demanding they need to launch investigations into his political opponents.

And that's fine, as far as the "Trump asking Congress to do something" part goes? Like, they're separate bodies, Trump is free to ask them to do his bidding for them, but he doesn't have any actual power. The reason liberals might (correctly) object to that is because of the part where Trump sees Putin arresting Alexei Navalny and says "our country should be more like that", not because of the "Trump asked Congress to do it" part.

As always, liberal hypocrisy is limited only by Kelhus' imagination.
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05-27-2020 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
57 on Red seems to be very sensitive to government over-reach in ways you don't appear to be.

So I wanted to get his thoughts on how appropriate the tweet in question was, given his use of it. I have no doubt you are perfectly ok with mayors using twitter to pressure DA's to make charges.
its pretty hilarious that thats the vibe you get from his posting when its pretty clear that he loves him some British govt doing the Imperialism and police state stuff..
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05-27-2020 , 08:55 PM
Trump getting fbi and doj involved
FBI was already involved but the doj thing is some more movement

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...ge-floyd-death
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05-27-2020 , 09:31 PM
-Murder charge on the kneeling guy;
-accessory charge against the others, minimum.

Charges will be filed by end of week. These criminals aren't going anywhere.
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05-27-2020 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
What is the right and proper amount of time between when a person is recorded kneeling on the neck of another person until he dies and when the kneeler gets arrested?
When did the video surface? I am guessing not immediately. The cop is probably going to jail. I agree though cops seem to be dragging their feet in arresting him.
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05-27-2020 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer

So it's not that I am not sensitive to government overreach, I just have a magic superpower that can tell when you're engaging in your hobby of trying way too hard to assert liberal hypocrisy where there's none to be found.
So you think this country would be better off with a smaller or bigger government? Try to answer in one sentence.
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05-27-2020 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
-Murder charge on the kneeling guy;
-accessory charge against the others, minimum.

Charges will be filed by end of week. These criminals aren't going anywhere.
Cop deserves a murder charge. Will prob skate with a manslaughter though, unfortunately.
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05-27-2020 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
When did the video surface? I am guessing not immediately. The cop is probably going to jail. I agree though cops seem to be dragging their feet in arresting him.
If only there were a way that you didn't have to guess!
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05-27-2020 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
So you think this country would be better off with a smaller or bigger government? Try to answer in one sentence.
Generally bigger. How about you?

I'm looking forward to seeing the tortured way in which you try to define "government overreach" and "bigger government" to mean the same thing, this should be good.
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05-28-2020 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Generally bigger. How about you?

I'm looking forward to seeing the tortured way in which you try to define "government overreach" and "bigger government" to mean the same thing, this should be good.
Smaller. Interesting you used the word "tortured" a gov specialty! Hahahaha
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05-28-2020 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
Smaller. Interesting you used the word "tortured" a gov specialty! Hahahaha
Interesting that "small government" conservatives were the people who were most stridently pro-torture in the decade in which our country became famous for that, yes, very interesting
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05-28-2020 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Interesting that "small government conservatives" were the people who were most stridently pro-torture in the decade in which our country became famous for that, yes, very interesting
Most people are anti torture. Maybe, if you already haven't, you would realize both sides suck big time and engage in horrific acts. If you just want to keep playing sports then enjoy. Hahahaha
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05-28-2020 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
Maybe, if you already haven't, you would realize both sides suck big time and engage in horrific acts.
I do realize this. I live in a stage that sends an absolutely garbage person (Dianne Feinstein) to the Senate over and over again.

But I also realize that both sides are not equal and there's value in fighting for the side that is less bad, and actively does good in some other areas. It seems from your posting like you do not!
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05-28-2020 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I do realize this. I live in a stage that sends an absolutely garbage person (Dianne Feinstein) to the Senate over and over again.

But I also realize that both sides are not equal and there's value in fighting for the side that is less bad, and actively does good in some other areas. It seems from your posting like you do not!
Correct. Fighting for the side that's "less bad" isn't really a thing. Both sides suck. The answer is making gov smaller, which is impossible. After all, George Floyd's killing was state sponsored. A democratic state (not that it matters)
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05-28-2020 , 12:34 AM
Small government conservatives tend to be anti death penalty and anti torture and anti all foreign policy intervention.

Not sure what Libertarians you all talk to. Maybe mistaking some of the Neocons as small government people?

And, for this case, manslaughter, murder, for the courts to decide. But, truly disgusting what happened here. I'm sure more will come out which will impact the charges all the officers face, but they all need to face criminal charges and be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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05-28-2020 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I do realize this. I live in a stage that sends an absolutely garbage person (Dianne Feinstein) to the Senate over and over again.

But I also realize that both sides are not equal and there's value in fighting for the side that is less bad, and actively does good in some other areas. It seems from your posting like you do not!
No I realize all these people suck.
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05-28-2020 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408

And, for this case, manslaughter, murder, for the courts to decide. But, truly disgusting what happened here. I'm sure more will come out which will impact the charges all the officers face, but they all need to face criminal charges and be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
100%
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05-28-2020 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Small government conservatives tend to be anti death penalty and anti torture and anti all foreign policy intervention.
Sure, sure, totally explains why big government Texas is the king of state murder and the vast majority of executions happen in the South: because principled conservatives are so opposed to the death penalty!
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05-28-2020 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Small government conservatives tend to be anti death penalty and anti torture and anti all foreign policy intervention.
This describes libertarians, small government conservatives are a lot different.
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05-28-2020 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
This describes libertarians, small government conservatives are a lot different.
Nope. Most of these folks agree with you on a variety of issues. Get over it
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05-28-2020 , 12:44 AM
Texas isn't Libertarian.

Sure, they have Libertarian aspects, like Pro Second Amendment and limited government spending. But, they are not for small government in the sense Ron Paul (a proud Texan) is for small government.

Small government means that it impacts you on monetary and social issues. The only real debate among Libertarians is abortion, and it comes to a medical definition issue. All Libertarians (and people) should agree that the governments first responsibility is to the lives of their citizens. Pro Life Libertarians feel that a fetus is a person. Pro Choice Libertarians have a different view.

Most other issues, they are fully aligned. Let the people decide what to do with their money. Let the people decide how to best govern on a local level. keep our country out of other countries affairs. Now, you can say preventing genocide in other countries is our moral imperative. Libertarian view is that meddling just will make it worse. Up for debate, but torture? Nah. We don't believe in that.
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