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Of course local papers aren't MSM, by definition. They are local media.

Ironically, in the past when I posted stories from local media you guys have been generally dismissive of it on the grounds that local papers are generally way too supportive of local government and the police especially.

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08-03-2020 , 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Of course local papers aren't MSM, by definition.

I would suggest here that giving up books and traditional news sources in favor of right-wing podcasts seems to have left you with an inability to even understand the terms of the art, much less develop any kind of meaningful news media criticism.

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08-03-2020 , 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Of course local papers aren't MSM, by definition.

Let's see if Kelhus is lying again!

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Mainstream media is a term and abbreviation used to refer collectively to the various large mass news media that influence many people, and both reflect and shape prevailing currents of thought.[1] The term is used to contrast with alternative media which may contain content with more dissenting thought at variance with the prevailing views of mainstream sources.

The term is often used for large news conglomerates, including newspapers and broadcast media, that underwent successive mergers in many countries. The concentration of media ownership has raised concerns of a homogenization of viewpoints presented to news consumers. Consequently, the term mainstream media has been widely used in conversation and the blogosphere, sometimes in oppositional, pejorative or dismissive senses, in discussion of the mass media and media bias.

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The Courier-Journal, also known as the Louisville Courier Journal (and informally The C-J or The Courier), is the highest circulation newspaper in Kentucky. It is owned by Gannett and billed as "Part of the USA Today Network". According to the 1999 Editor & Publisher International Yearbook, the paper is the 48th-largest daily paper in the United States.[needs update]

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Gannett Co., Inc. (/ɡəˈnɛt/) is an American mass media holding company headquartered in McLean, Virginia, in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area.[4][5] It is the largest U.S. newspaper publisher as measured by total daily circulation.

It owns the national newspaper USA Today, as well as several local newspapers, including the Detroit Free Press; The Indianapolis Star; The Cincinnati Enquirer; The Tennessean in Nashville, Tennessee; The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky; the Democrat and Chronicle in Rochester, New York; The Des Moines Register; The Arizona Republic in Phoenix, Arizona; The News-Press in Fort Myers; the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel; and the Great Falls Tribune.

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Ironically, in the past when I posted stories from local media you guys have been generally dismissive of it on the grounds that local papers are generally way too supportive of local government and the police especially.

One good lie deserves another.

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08-03-2020 , 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Let's see if Kelhus is lying again!

One good lie deserves another.

Well, according to Webster's dictionary this is the definition of sex:

"either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures"

So I guess since this isn't how you personally understand and define sex that makes you a liar too.

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08-03-2020 , 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Kel, I think it's great that you're making an effort to learn what terms mean. Can you look up "gender" next?

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08-03-2020 , 02:28 PM

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feel free to elaborate on some of them.

i'll get you started. someone walking in the street (not on their property) shoots and kills that st louis couple that was pointing an assault rifle at them aggressively. self defense or no?

someone peacefully protesting gets shot in the head with a rubber bullet and shoots and kills the police officer that fired it. self defense or no?

because both of those would be far easier cases of black and white open carry self defense than the aggressor in a vehicle specifically driving into a protest to agitate and than shooting someone that was there open carrying that from what i have seen didnt raise and point his weapon at the guy in the car.

Are you really saying that you can't think a scenario even similar to the bolded one where self defense is justified without actually being shot at?

And yes, even the dude who shoots the st louis couple could have a case in a similar circumstance as stupid as he'd be to shoot the couple considering people all the people around them feared for their lives enough to unholster their phones and take a pic.

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Apparently the conservatives claiming Webster's is a 'liberal' outfit is a little off the mark. Shocker

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

lol, even this definition you cherrypick allows for more than two forms.

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so the bodycam video leaked. unsurprisingly Chauvin absolutely brutalizes Floyd. also unsurprisingly, the right is acting like it exonerates Chauvin.

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08-03-2020 , 07:31 PM

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so the bodycam video leaked. unsurprisingly Chauvin absolutely brutalizes Floyd. also unsurprisingly, the right is acting like it exonerates Chauvin.

So now DailyMail is a reputable source of information?

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08-03-2020 , 07:39 PM

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so the bodycam video leaked. unsurprisingly Chauvin absolutely brutalizes Floyd. also unsurprisingly, the right is acting like it exonerates Chauvin.

Doesn't exonerate Chauvin but definitely makes a murder 2 conviction more difficult.

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so the bodycam video leaked. unsurprisingly Chauvin absolutely brutalizes Floyd. also unsurprisingly, the right is acting like it exonerates Chauvin.

"leaked"
Please tell me it was released.

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08-04-2020 , 01:28 AM

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https://www.courier-journal.com/stor...ma/5562669002/

So what happens if the businesses refuse these demands?

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08-04-2020 , 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rileymadison2345

Doesn't exonerate Chauvin but definitely makes a murder 2 conviction more difficult.

Are you a criminal attorney?

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08-04-2020 , 06:33 AM

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so the bodycam video leaked. unsurprisingly Chauvin absolutely brutalizes Floyd. also unsurprisingly, the right is acting like it exonerates Chauvin.

are you serious right now?

someone on meth is extremely hard to deal with especially when the guy is as big as george floyd

you're crazy if you think this makes the cops look bad

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08-04-2020 , 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by lvr

are you serious right now?

someone on meth is extremely hard to deal with especially when the guy is as big as george floyd

you're crazy if you think this makes the cops look bad

To be fair, the thing that makes the cops look bad is the fact that they murdered him.

Other than that, it was a good arrest.

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08-04-2020 , 08:37 AM

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So what happens if the businesses refuse these demands?

They also had a list of things they would do to that business and any other business an owner of that business owns a share in. Which is interesting because the business owner who is loudest in taking a stand against the shake down owns a lot of Louisville restaurants.

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08-04-2020 , 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by lvr

are you serious right now?

someone on meth is extremely hard to deal with especially when the guy is as big as george floyd

you're crazy if you think this makes the cops look bad

Ya, and cops tell you this guy had "extreme strength",

So, you know, the cops just have to use extreme force in all these situations even if a guy in a video is clearly not resisting with any dangerous intent or is just trying to get home with a soda he bought for his little brother.

But at least the cops show remorse and sympathy when they kill unnecessarily...

Just in case you don't know, the above is the cops revisiting the site where they killed him, re-enacting the choke hold that killed him, and showing their grief over the terrible tragedy.

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08-04-2020 , 10:17 AM

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Cuepee, that is not george floyd. We are talking about george floyd in the george flyod thread. The man you are talking about was also killed by police, but he is not george floyd.

Do you think the newly release/leaked body cam of george floyd makes a better case for the police officers involved or george floyd's family compared to what we knew about the case yesterday?

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08-04-2020 , 10:20 AM

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Do you have a copy of it? Seems like it would be incredibly stupid to also deliver consequences (threats) with a letter like that. Would seem like a slam dunk crime.

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So what happens if the businesses refuse these demands?

I mean, I gave you a link to the letter.

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08-04-2020 , 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Not for Chauvin.
It shows the other cops had concern about his medical state so it may help their case. (although they still stood there and watched a protracted murder)

Choking someone to death slowly is sort of the opposite of 'concern about his medical state' though.

Do you agree ?

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08-04-2020 , 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I mean, I gave you a link to the letter.

Thanks, didn't scroll down all the way.

Everyone should just say no and see if they have the manpower and staying power to follow through with it.

I believe there will be some govt mandated quotas coming at some point so I guess these businesses could get ahead of the curve but feels dirty.

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08-04-2020 , 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

The relevance of that post is cops almost always cite 'extreme size and strength' as reasons why they need to use extreme force when arresting POC. Something you also cite.

I don't see anything in that newly released GF tape that would make me feel one iota different about the abuse of force and murder he received.

I happen to be amongst those that believe cops have a duty to 'protect and serve' citizens, even high or drunk ones, without killing them unless those people are posing a real threat of harm to the cops.

I see no evidence that GF was posing a threat of harm.

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