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I don't disagree with Wookie or Goofy's takes but to think this guy doesn't get convicted >50% of the time seems laughable to me and I know you guys wouldn't seriously consider betting that.

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05-29-2020 , 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

I am not interested in profiting off a system that lets murdering cops go free. Perhaps a wager involving charitable donations could be acceptable.

I'm down though. What sort of odds can I get on an acquittal?
I think I need like 9:2

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05-29-2020 , 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

WN: "'Right wingers are dumb' does not make for productive discourse"
WN: "President of the US just quotes stupid racist **** because he likes the way it sounds".

So, which is it bro?

You know, it's an odd coincidence that he described the protestors as "thugs", which just happens to be a racially-charged dogwhistle.

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05-29-2020 , 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

I would guess it is the highlighted. I don't think he has a twitter council providing him bullet points for his middle of the night tweet storms. But it is Trump, so I guess anything is possible.

A few days ago it was "do you think Trump writes his own tweets?" around here.

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05-29-2020 , 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

Both. The two statements you are comparing are quite dissimilar. If you need a detailed explanation, feel free to PM me and I'll write you one later.

Am I permitted to post your reply to the PM I sent you about why you closed the thread, and respond to it as an open letter?

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05-29-2020 , 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Am I permitted to post your reply to the PM I sent you about why you closed the thread, and respond to it as an open letter?

You can post it in ATF if you want.

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05-29-2020 , 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

You can post it in ATF if you want.

I feel it's more relevant if it stays within this forum. And, we all saw what happened when too much got posted in ATF.

From what I've seen in the forums I frequent here, almost all the popular ones have a moderation thread for that forum, within the forum - presumably for minor disputes such as this one. You've said in the past that the LC thread is not one for moderation issues.

Is your position that "if you don't like how I run this place, take it to ATF"? So, as a poster with a minor dispute, there is no avenue possible for me between "I'm unhappy" and Matt Slansky?

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05-29-2020 , 05:25 PM

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nazi mods must go

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05-29-2020 , 05:26 PM

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You can also PM me, but it sounds like you want a public discussion. I'm on my phone for the next few hours, or else I would link or PM previous explanations for not having a mod thread here.

If you want to continue this discussion by PM, that's fine. If you start an ATF thread I'll ask that it be left open. Either way let's take it out of this thread.

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05-29-2020 , 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

You know, it's an odd coincidence that he described the protestors as "thugs", which just happens to be a racially-charged dogwhistle.

No one is saying that it is a coincidence that Trump uses racially charged dogwhistles. The only minor dispute was whether Trump was self-aware enough to know that he was quoting some guy from 1967, as opposed to simply repeating something he saw in the derposphere. In terms of Trump's state of mind, I don't think this distinction is important at all.

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05-29-2020 , 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Subterranean2

nazi mods must go

**** off with that ****. If you don't have anything to contribute, best that you contribute exactly that.

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05-29-2020 , 05:56 PM

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Well, he said you could take it to ATF, so go ahead. If nothing else, you are assured that Trolly will weigh in on the situation if you bring it up there.

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05-29-2020 , 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Well, he said you could take it to ATF, so go ahead. If nothing else, you are assured that Trolly will weigh in on the situation if you bring it up there.

You're saying that apropos of what, exactly? That I told a poster who called WN a nazi to f/ck off?

Jesus man, do you have a substance abuse issue? You seem to be perfectly lucid, but now and then you just totally lose the ****ing plot. About 3 times in the last 2 days at least.

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05-29-2020 , 06:16 PM

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All this violent protesting never makes sense - all this property damage is going to be felt by the black community more than the white community. And this one was priceless:

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Neighbors fight with garden hoses and buckets to save homes after rioters set fire to a multi-story affordable housing complex under construction near the Third Precinct on Wednesday, May 27, in Minneapolis.Mark Vancleave/Star Tribune/Getty Images

maybe they can protest about lack of affordable housing next.

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05-29-2020 , 06:22 PM

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All this violent protesting never makes sense - all this property damage is going to be felt by the black community more than the white community. And this one was priceless:

maybe they can protest about lack of affordable housing next.

National Guard there now. It won’t be going down the same way tonight.

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05-29-2020 , 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joe6pack

What gets me is the other officers just standing around and not intervening when it was obvious the guy was being killed.

Nah brah, they were just busy posting in 2+2 politics.

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05-29-2020 , 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

Again. You are not accurately representing what I said or meant.

When libs want the guy arrested, you point to a bunch of cops getting off - saying, in your words, "we have seen acquittals over and over and over for cases just as bad" - as a reason why we should not rush to charge him. When libs fret about the guy skating, all of a sudden they have to be "trolling" for echoing literally the same sentiment I just quoted.

If I'm so off, then explain what is so materially different from my claims versus what you actually said. Because it sure seems like the nonpartisan objective thinker Kelhus here (hahahahahaha) cares a lot more about owning the libs than he does about being intellectually consistent from post to post.

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05-29-2020 , 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Ok. For whatever reason you took "we maybe shouldn't be in a rush to charge him" and changed my position to "we shouldn't charge him," which are clearly two vastly different positions.

Glad we got that clarified and I accept any and all forthcoming apologies for misprepresentation of my position.

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05-29-2020 , 07:13 PM

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my guess is that he gets convicted but gets an embarrassingly short sentence, like the Dallas cop Amber Guyger who got convicted of murder for killing a black guy in his own apartment but only got 10 years and is eligible for parole after 5 years.

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05-29-2020 , 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelhus100

So my primary point of contention - that you talk about all the cops who got off for sketchy killings of unarmed people out of one side of your mouth, at the same time as you accuse Wookie of "trolling" for thinking this cop might get acquitted out the other - zero challenges or complaints there? Thanks! Appreciate the concession.

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05-29-2020 , 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right

What charge(s) do you think he’ll get convicted on? 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter plus maybe convicted of civil rights violations?

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05-29-2020 , 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Well, the main problem was you were misquoting me and misconstruing my position as the central point of your argument.

I will wager on the likelihood of conviction/acquital (either way) if I think the line we agree to is in my favor. I think either outcome is possible.

Whether or not the AD acted too fast before all the facts came in, and how this is going to affect chance of conviction, I don't know. But clearly the social situation prompted (relatively) swift action, although I am sure he would have preferred to take more time and get more evidence before acting.

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05-29-2020 , 07:46 PM

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A former Minneapolis police officer involved in the death of George Floyd has been charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter, the Hennepin County attorney Mike Freeman announced Friday afternoon.

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05-29-2020 , 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by adios

What charge(s) do you think he’ll get convicted on? 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder, manslaughter plus maybe convicted of civil rights violations?

he gets convicted on third degree, 10 years in jail, and righties use it as "evidence" that we don't have systemic issues in our country.

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