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06-09-2020 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Dude, he's full of productive dialogue that respects our shared humanity.
Yet another unacceptable post from a left-wing dunker reeking of toxicity
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06-09-2020 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I do have some empathy for those two. However as others have pointed out, if there were four gang members and they killed a guy in the exact manner, and two of them just joined the gang, would anyone be pushing for leniancy?

The length of their tenure is not accounted for in the law. Should every violent criminal have their punishment adjusted based on the length of time they have been part of an organized crime family?

Personally I want to see the people who made that serial killer psychopath a training officer. However this really just further solidifies that an officer like Chauvin, with all the murders, all the reports, is held up as an example of good Police, by the Police.

I do get a little twisted about those two guys but then I think, “How useful is a cop who freezes up and does nothing as a murder takes place right in front of them.”


Without your 20/20 vision you and just about everybody would have reacted in a similar fashion if you were in their shoes.
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06-09-2020 , 03:17 AM
Court orders implementation of immediate changes to minneapolis police department. Including banning neck restraints, chokeholds and reporting unauthorized use of force by fellow officers. And it's a fox article, so as always the comment section makes the right wingers in this forum look like bleeding heart hippies

https://www.foxnews.com/us/court-ord...ice-department

Last edited by nutella virus; 06-09-2020 at 03:37 AM.
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06-09-2020 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
I do have some empathy for those two. However as others have pointed out, if there were four gang members and they killed a guy in the exact manner, and two of them just joined the gang, would anyone be pushing for leniancy?
I would.

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The length of their tenure is not accounted for in the law. Should every violent criminal have their punishment adjusted based on the length of time they have been part of an organized crime family?
It's not a question of a formulaic outcome. It can be something to take into account and every case should be judged on it's merits.

A big part of this for me is about the rehabilitation part of justice. For the newbie the way they behaved can come as a shock from which they learn very easily and quickly. That opportunity should be grabbed hard when possible.
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06-09-2020 , 05:08 AM
I wonder how much this guy raises for his defence fund. Over/under 50k?

https://www.tmz.com/
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06-09-2020 , 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
I wonder how much this guy raises for his defence fund. Over/under 50k?

https://www.tmz.com/
I think they're all gonna go down personally and no amount of money is gonna change that.
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06-09-2020 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onstrator.html

So during the protests in Seattle yesterday, a man drives into the protests, gets surrounded by protesters, shoots a black man, and then surrenders to police. What is super interesting about this is how little interest the media has in it. If they mention it at all it is just a cursory telling account with zero follow up of what is the story behind the story.

Really curious what is going on with this story that the media isn't interested, as on the surface it seems like it would be a honeypot story.

Edit: It is normally pretty easy to digest why the media isn't interested in a story. But in this case, it isn't apparent at all. I am legitimately curious.
Because he defended himself from an attempted lynching by the peaceful protestors.
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06-09-2020 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
I’m from LA, and have immediate family in both DC and NYC. And yea, systemic racism is a huge problem.
+1

I've lived in some bad parts of Philadelphia and have family in some of the worst parts of it. People just have no clue. They see black on black crime and just stop at the level 1 thinking and call them and everyone else idiots...

It's like the war on drugs never happened. Or corrupt cops don't exist. Has anyone ever heard of Meek Mill?

White people smoke weed all the time and jack **** happens to them. Cops smoke weed ffs. But marijuana possession will get you thrown in jail and jail ****s your life up in more ways than one. It's like Tupac said, the penitentiary's packed and it's filled with blacks...

This idea that the culture is the problem...Yes, culture is a problem, but the culture came second not first. Our nation of laws has funneled segments of our population to certain areas and largely get stuck there. And it has manifested in basically every state. That's not a coincidence that's by design and there is a perpetual struggle to break that chain, but nobody cares. Not if your life is comfortable...Just sit back, point, blame, and complain about taxes forever and ever
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06-09-2020 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
I am going to tell you dolts 1 thing, replace the "U" with an "E"

Defend the Police

Dolts
police depts loot 100s of millions from the public coffers while schools and roads fall apart and arm themselves with thousands of dollars worth of body armor and weaponry.

lol if you think those snowflakes need defending.
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06-09-2020 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by micro dong
Because he defended himself from an attempted lynching by the peaceful protestors.
Driving a car at a group of people is assault with a deadly weapon. The crowd has a right to defend themselves.
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06-09-2020 , 12:11 PM
While violent protests have mostly died down around the country the last few days, Portland has been heating up. A small, but very dedicated group of protesters have been participating in physical confrontations with federal and local officers protecting govt buildings.

In a recent podcast, Brett Weinstein (who lives in Portland) says he asked one of the federal officers what he thinks is going on, and the officer said in his opinion (paraphrasing) the protesters were trying to provoke officers to use more lethal force, ostensibly to reignite the tension and violence that has largely died down.

So I guess if Shuffle (and whoever else) wants to join up with people who are fighting for real change through trying to provoke a violent revolution, they should go join the protests in Portland.
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06-09-2020 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
Do any of you people live in Chicago, NYC, Detroit, LA, STL, Baltimore???

Tell me BLM, you are victims of propaganda.

I live in STL, stop on by and tell me systemic racism is the problem.

Idiots
I do not. My brother does live in Downtown St. Louis though, and he would certainly tell you that it is a massive problem.
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06-09-2020 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
You want me to say, YES? or NO??

You intelligence is quite evident. May I ask you this, are "white"people the problem????
A. [ ]
B. [ ]
C. [ ]

Mark A. If you think rooktaker is a racist. Mark B if you think Rooktaker is not a racist. Mark C if Ldo polls and rooktaker is a racist.

Imagine a racist saying the problem is not racism, but black people. A very fresh take.

In before everyone claims we can’t know if rooktaker is a racist.

Seriously well named does it bother you at all that a significant percentage of posters here are racist?
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06-09-2020 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethi...l-america/amp/

This does not answer your core assertion, but it does speak about density. It would be impossible for a rural area to even come close to a city. Crime is extremely rare in a rural area, for the simple reason: there's hardly anybody there.

You're going to hit a flush once every 100 years, as opposed to once everyday. The odds of a flush are the same in this analogy, you're just playing less. Even if you increase the odds in rural areas by orders of magnitude.... And in this case I'm talking about cop per square mile, which is way less in rural areas.

I posted a study that demonstrated you were completely wrong in your assertion. lol u.
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06-09-2020 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnyCrash
Without your 20/20 vision you and just about everybody would have reacted in a similar fashion if you were in their shoes.
Okay but what about the part where they have sworn their life to stop a crime?

Hard to argue against defunding the police if police just sit there gapejawed while a slow play murder takes place in front of them. They didn’t even raise reasonable vocal objections.

I am pretty comfortable in knowing I would just not stand around and watch someone be murdered.

You somehow think it wasn’t obvious the guy was being killed? How about when they no longer found a pulse and the murder continued for several more minutes?
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06-09-2020 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Seriously well named does it bother you at all that a significant percentage of posters here are racist?
Please define 'significant' in percentages please!
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06-09-2020 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Please define 'significant' in percentages please!
Don't worry, you're definitely in the numerator.
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06-09-2020 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Please define 'significant' in percentages please!
Im serious...ballpark figure will do!
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06-09-2020 , 12:58 PM
Note: I've moved a bunch of the recent arguments between corpus vile and others about Trump's comments here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...acist-1771802/
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06-09-2020 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
Im serious...ballpark figure will do!
significant
sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.
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06-09-2020 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
significant
sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention; noteworthy.
So that would translate to 'sufficiently great percentage'...so now: what percentage are we talking about?
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06-09-2020 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
So that would translate to 'sufficiently great percentage'...so now: what percentage are we talking about?
350%
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06-09-2020 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
So that would translate to 'sufficiently great percentage'...so now: what percentage are we talking about?
Who ****ing cares? You're going down the road of your predecessors by getting all definitionally nitty and needing exact figures for something like this. It's significant. It matters.
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06-09-2020 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Who ****ing cares? You're going down the road of your predecessors by getting all definitionally nitty and needing exact figures for something like this. It's significant. It matters.
Im asking markksman...not his helpies.
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06-09-2020 , 01:43 PM
Let's try to keep this thread at least marginally on topic. Thanks.
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