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06-08-2020 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That's why I think it's important to keep making the point and keep supporting the peaceful protests.

I also think the peaceful protest are managing to shine through. Tough going but progress is being made.
If you only support protests that can be easily ignored, you don't support protests.
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06-08-2020 , 11:29 AM
Vegas can you delete your post? It's really messing up the thread and has made it go all wonky
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06-08-2020 , 12:19 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onstrator.html

So during the protests in Seattle yesterday, a man drives into the protests, gets surrounded by protesters, shoots a black man, and then surrenders to police. What is super interesting about this is how little interest the media has in it. If they mention it at all it is just a cursory telling account with zero follow up of what is the story behind the story.

Really curious what is going on with this story that the media isn't interested, as on the surface it seems like it would be a honeypot story.

Edit: It is normally pretty easy to digest why the media isn't interested in a story. But in this case, it isn't apparent at all. I am legitimately curious.

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06-08-2020 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Your irrationally silly exaggeration aside, if I'm helping make it clear then good.
perhaps you could debunk the arguments they make. but we both know why that doesnt happen.
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06-08-2020 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...onstrator.html

So during the protests in Seattle yesterday, a man drives into the protests, gets surrounded by protesters, shoots a black man, and then surrenders to police. What is super interesting about this is how little interest the media has in it. If they mention it at all it is just a cursory telling account with zero follow up of what is the story behind the story.

Really curious what is going on with this story that the media isn't interested, as on the surface it seems like it would be a honeypot story.

Edit: It is normally pretty easy to digest why the media isn't interested in a story. But in this case, it isn't apparent at all. I am legitimately curious.
front page of cnn under "news and buzz"="media isnt interested"
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06-08-2020 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Your irrationally silly exaggeration aside, if I'm helping make it clear then good.
its also pretty funny that you incessantly whine about the "name calling thingy" and then turn around and blatantly insult people with different viewpoints than yours.
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06-08-2020 , 12:51 PM
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06-08-2020 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
front page of cnn under "news and buzz"="media isnt interested"
It is interesting that kelhus keeps bashing these stories and their media coverage and they all have super weird police components that make it likely any cover up or squashing of the story is coming from them.

He is really going to get an earful from police if he continues to raise stories that they clearly want buried.
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06-08-2020 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
If you only support protests that can be easily ignored, you don't support protests.
That isn't true but personally I don't only support protests that can be ignored.

I don't support violent protest - do you?
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06-08-2020 , 02:31 PM
So, is there evidence that Chauvin is racist? The video is evidence he is a bad police officer. Were his 18 complaints racial in nature, based on being a hard ass, or based on incompetence?

The level of restraint for the crime of a $20 counterfeit bill certainly appears, on its face, that it wouldn't have happened to a white person, even if under the influence, but do we know anything about Chauvin? Maybe he treats everyone like garbage.

Of course, I don't want this to distract from the systemic racism that may exist across the police force and society in general.

I've been following the story reasonably closely (probably not as close as most of you), but I have not seen prior racist complaints (they haven't released the nature of the complaints, least last I saw), racist comments on social media or first hand accounts of him saying of doing something racist.
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06-08-2020 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MatteoBounce
I didn't say anti-democratic, but not my idea of democratic.
It doesn't help your cause if you can't admit that things went down pretty poorly.
So what if I read a whitewashed tale about MLK?
Do you really still want to make that comparison?
So that's a pass on reading the John Lewis quote? Don't take my word for it, listen to someone who was there!
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06-08-2020 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Cops say they were getting pummeled with objects like rocks and bottles then their orders to disperse were ignored. Seems impossible I know. Much more likely the cops decided to teach those peaceful lefties a friggen lesson about USA #1.
So you didn't see when, 1-2 days ago, Seattle police claimed they tear gassed protesters because of "incendiary devices" and then posted photos of a candle as justification?

Imagine being a week in to videos of unnecessary police violence all over the country and still being as much of a bootlicker as adios lmao

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So, is there evidence that Chauvin is racist? The video is evidence he is a bad police officer. Were his 18 complaints racial in nature, based on being a hard ass, or based on incompetence?

The level of restraint for the crime of a $20 counterfeit bill certainly appears, on its face, that it wouldn't have happened to a white person, even if under the influence, but do we know anything about Chauvin? Maybe he treats everyone like garbage.
Nightclub owner where Chauvin worked security said he restrained black patrons (and not others) with excessive violence, to the point that she had to speak to him about it
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06-08-2020 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
The level of restraint for the crime of a $20 counterfeit bill certainly appears, on its face, that it wouldn't have happened to a white person, even if under the influence, but do we know anything about Chauvin?
We know that he murdered a black man for doing something a white man wouldn't get murdered for.
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06-08-2020 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
its also pretty funny that you incessantly whine about the "name calling thingy" and then turn around and blatantly insult people with different viewpoints than yours.
Glad you're amused and if it was just a bit of tone then you would be correct. However the name calling thingy is part of a political strategy, it's not just a bit of tone. You know this I'm sure, you're not stupid.
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06-08-2020 , 02:52 PM
Thank you Goofy Baller. That was the context I have been missing out of all of this.

I am sure more will come out.
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06-08-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
We know that he murdered a black man for doing something a white man wouldn't get murdered for.
That's opinion. You would have to analyze how often Chauvin used that technique. Goofy Baller presented a first hand account of what he did as a night club security guard. That is testimony. You just make an inflamatory statement that sounds logical, but has no basis in fact. I often do that to, though...
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06-08-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
So, is there evidence that Chauvin is racist? The video is evidence he is a bad police officer. Were his 18 complaints racial in nature, based on being a hard ass, or based on incompetence?

The level of restraint for the crime of a $20 counterfeit bill certainly appears, on its face, that it wouldn't have happened to a white person, even if under the influence, but do we know anything about Chauvin? Maybe he treats everyone like garbage.

Of course, I don't want this to distract from the systemic racism that may exist across the police force and society in general.

I've been following the story reasonably closely (probably not as close as most of you), but I have not seen prior racist complaints (they haven't released the nature of the complaints, least last I saw), racist comments on social media or first hand accounts of him saying of doing something racist.
Officer Chauvin may not be racist. He was involved in the murder of four civilians as a Peace Officer, all of whom were minorities. He certainly does not deserve any benefit of the doubt, though.
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06-08-2020 , 03:27 PM


Police tried to claim the guy who wound up underneath 2 officers in this video "pushed an officer off his bike" until this video came to light.

Policing is a safer job than truck driving
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06-08-2020 , 03:29 PM
“Why isn’t the media covering this story more?”



I am sure everyone who posts here agrees that the Ku Klux Klan should be officially labeled a terrorist organization.

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06-08-2020 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer


Police tried to claim the guy who wound up underneath 2 officers in this video "pushed an officer off his bike" until this video came to light.

Policing is a safer job than truck driving
Was cool Fuji said they will no longer sell their bicycles to American Police Departments.
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06-08-2020 , 03:36 PM
The intersection between social media and policing over the last twenty years has been fascinating. On the one hand, social media has fed the perception that bad policing is an escalating problem in the United States. I would be shocked if that were true. However big a problem disparate policing and inappropriate use of force is today, it very likely was worse twenty years. And it unquestionably was worse forty years ago.

On the other hand, social media has completely blown up the right-wing fantasy that there is not an ongoing problem that needs to be addressed.
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06-08-2020 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
“Why isn’t the media covering this story more?”



I am sure everyone who posts here agrees that the Ku Klux Klan should be officially labeled a terrorist organization.
That's where i grew up. 70's-80's. VA is somehow a blue state now. Race always hanging over everything in the capital of the confederacy. Richmond now though is like an artsy, bike riding, mirco beer drinking, humid as hell in the summer, town. Still a lot of yeeee haaaw rednecks. (who can be the coolest dudes ever)
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06-08-2020 , 03:43 PM


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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06-08-2020 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Man, it's actually despicable how you even revise one of the greatest civil rights leaders in history.
You are welcome to state what you think I got wrong.
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06-08-2020 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
So based on your first hand experience, do you think the police are the main problem and "urban" neighborhoods would fare better without any?
This is the part I haven't figured out yet with this latest push.

If the Butler, WI police department gets disbanded, then oh well who cares. Fewer speeding tickets get handed out in their local bullshit 25mph zones and that one neighbor who is constantly calling the cops over the other neighbor's loud dog will I suppose have to start contacting their congresswoman instead.

But if you disband NYPD, there's zero chance it ends well for anyone involved.

Think those "Purge" movies.
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