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05-26-2020 , 02:22 PM
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/...o-investigate/

https://news.yahoo.com/man-dies-plea...140434370.html

couple links. im sure you can find others. the video is essentially showing the killing so be advised.

Minneapolis police were called to a scene involving a possibly bad check at a grocery store. police say he was resisting arrest. one officer is shown to kneel with full body weight on Floyds neck, while Floyd tells the officer he cant breathe, the officer continues to suffocate Floyd until he appears to become unconscious and Floyd dies either on the way to hospital/or at hospital depending on the reports.

police initially recorded the event as "suspect had medical distress".

this is one of those events where i believe that every single officer at the scene should be fired at the minimum for allowing Floyd to be killed in their presence and obviously the officer killing floyd to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. i have not looked up the minnesota murder statutes but in my jurisdiction this would seem to be Murder 2, imo which is the "depraved mind" willful disregard for human life non premeditation version.

i dont know if there will be much discussion on this one as it appears fairly cut and dry that this was an absolute unnecessary killing over some groceries in a depression. but i thought it deserved a thread.
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05-26-2020 , 02:46 PM
Just watched the video this afternoon. Horrible. This one's even worse than Eric garner
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05-26-2020 , 03:20 PM
We are not anywhere near a depression.
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05-26-2020 , 03:32 PM
Real nice civilized country you got over there guys

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05-26-2020 , 03:38 PM
Absolutely disgusting. Straight up murder.
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05-26-2020 , 03:44 PM
Well, as long as we all remember to call the cop a murderer and not a racist, this will be a short thread.
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05-26-2020 , 03:50 PM
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Cops are not as well trained as the military personnel they've sourced their weaponry from, so you probably don't want to call for outright confrontation. Plus, if statistics are any indication, those citizens prone to violence are already too busy murdering each other.

This cop would most likely skate on intentional homicide charges, but needs to do serious time for whatever lesser charge they can throw at him. It undermines the public confidence in the 99% of cops who never would've done this.

I've seen knees to the back, but anyone with an ounce of sense should know that a neck isn't designed to carry 200+ lbs of weight. How about some of the other cops go help dude up and put him in the back of the cruiser instead of standing around for almost 10 minutes.

Good for the city officials for calling in the FBI to handle the follow-up. That has to greatly improve the odds of actual consequences instead of quiet retirement with full benefits.

Last edited by well named; 05-26-2020 at 06:50 PM.
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05-26-2020 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/...o-investigate/

https://news.yahoo.com/man-dies-plea...140434370.html

couple links. im sure you can find others. the video is essentially showing the killing so be advised.

Minneapolis police were called to a scene involving a possibly bad check at a grocery store. police say he was resisting arrest. one officer is shown to kneel with full body weight on Floyds neck, while Floyd tells the officer he cant breathe, the officer continues to suffocate Floyd until he appears to become unconscious and Floyd dies either on the way to hospital/or at hospital depending on the reports.

police initially recorded the event as "suspect had medical distress".

this is one of those events where i believe that every single officer at the scene should be fired at the minimum for allowing Floyd to be killed in their presence and obviously the officer killing floyd to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. i have not looked up the minnesota murder statutes but in my jurisdiction this would seem to be Murder 2, imo which is the "depraved mind" willful disregard for human life non premeditation version.

i dont know if there will be much discussion on this one as it appears fairly cut and dry that this was an absolute unnecessary killing over some groceries in a depression. but i thought it deserved a thread.

How do these guys live with themselves ?
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05-26-2020 , 04:27 PM
They are absolutely horrible human beings. Can’t wait for the motley crew of regulars to come in and twist themselves into pretzels defending them from accusations of being racist.


Going to see if goofy can make me a bot to post the above in every new thread since it always ends up being applicable.
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05-27-2020 , 03:19 PM
According to today's London Evening Standard, Mayor Jacob Frey has announced the sacking of four police officers and said: 'Being black in America should not be a death sentence. For five minutes, we watched a white officer press his knee into a black man's neck. Five minutes. When you hear someone calling for help, you're supposed to help. This officer failed in the most basic sense.'

Which is all very fine and large, but the officer in question, said to be one Derek Chauvin (dismally appropriate, like the Frenchman who gave his name to chauvinism) needs to be charged with murder. There's photos, video and witness accounts to go on. The FBI are apparently investigating, though I wouldn't, er, hold your breath.
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05-27-2020 , 03:33 PM
If they start charging every racist, frightened cop with murder then that would be a slippery slope. However when a black cop kills a white women...well that led to a swift murder charge.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...rdict.amp.html
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05-27-2020 , 03:35 PM
Well, yeah.
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05-27-2020 , 03:35 PM
yea america is racist as ****. i wont watch the vid.

unfortunate but thats basically americas only real "history" as a nation the past 250+ yrs and all its known for worldwide.

war, slavery and oppression, corruption, and of course hardcore racism.
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05-27-2020 , 05:07 PM
Mayor Frey is now asking the County Attorney to bring charges.



I only heard about that because the BBC just reported it. The whole story's breaking quite big.
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05-27-2020 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
If they start charging every racist, frightened cop with murder then that would be a slippery slope. However when a black cop kills a white women...well that led to a swift murder charge.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...rdict.amp.html
What planet do you live on? It took over 2 years for that case to play out.

It has been 2 days so far for this one.
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05-27-2020 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Mayor Frey is now asking the County Attorney to bring charges.



I only heard about that because the BBC just reported it. The whole story's breaking quite big.
If the precedent is that it takes months/years for these things to play out, do you think the process should be expedited in this case for social justice reasons?

Do you think it is a good idea to provide government this kind of discretion?
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05-27-2020 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Mayor Frey is now asking the County Attorney to bring charges.



I only heard about that because the BBC just reported it. The whole story's breaking quite big.
I do find it ironic that if it was President Trump tweeting to pressure attorney's to do his bidding, we would all be outraged it was clear abuse of separation of powers (justifiably); but when the mayor of Minneapolis does it in this case it is ok?
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05-27-2020 , 06:08 PM
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I do find it ironic that if it was President Trump tweeting to pressure attorney's to do his bidding, we would all be outraged it was clear abuse of separation of powers (justifiably); but when the mayor of Minneapolis does it in this case it is ok?
The DA that Frey is tweeting at here is not his subordinate. Does that help with your confusion?
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05-27-2020 , 06:12 PM
So it is perfectly acceptable for Trump to use twitter to politically pressure other government officials that are not his subordinates?
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05-27-2020 , 06:14 PM
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So it is perfectly acceptable for Trump to use twitter to politically pressure other government officials that are not his subordinates?
It's better than the types of situations you're obviously trying to compare this to, where Trump pressures people who work for him in the DOJ via Twitter.
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05-27-2020 , 06:20 PM
57 on Red seems to be very sensitive to government over-reach in ways you don't appear to be.

So I wanted to get his thoughts on how appropriate the tweet in question was, given his use of it. I have no doubt you are perfectly ok with mayors using twitter to pressure DA's to make charges.
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05-27-2020 , 06:31 PM
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57 on Red seems to be very sensitive to government over-reach in ways you don't appear to be.
Maybe, but probably not? Like, this Tweet by Trump this morning was actually great, 100% correct, perhaps the truest form of "the worst person you know just made a great point" ever, even if it's disappointing that he obviously only cares to the extent that such surveillance could be directed at foreign agents he was dumb enough to hire to work in his administration.

So it's not that I am not sensitive to government overreach, I just have a magic superpower that can tell when you're engaging in your hobby of trying way too hard to assert liberal hypocrisy where there's none to be found.
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05-27-2020 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
What planet do you live on? It took over 2 years for that case to play out.

It has been 2 days so far for this one.
I live on earth where people make mistakes
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05-27-2020 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
What planet do you live on? It took over 2 years for that case to play out.

It has been 2 days so far for this one.
What is the right and proper amount of time between when a person is recorded kneeling on the neck of another person until he dies and when the kneeler gets arrested?
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05-27-2020 , 07:54 PM
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yea america is racist as ****. i wont watch the vid.

unfortunate but thats basically americas only real "history" as a nation the past 250+ yrs and all its known for worldwide.

war, slavery and oppression, corruption, and of course hardcore racism.
+10000

Honesty wtf?!? Here this is call murder and I am sure everywhere else. Except maybe in the USA, the land of the FREE
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