I'm generally against the cops being all jacked up/militarized etc and don't believe the avg 'law breaker' is really prepared to start shooting at the cops. But there are those occasions where people are extremely well-armed and ready to throw down immediately--and imo at least it's pretty unfair to essentially be forced to only have a vest/pistol up against automatic weapons in what could be the crucial seconds I'm not sure what the answer is to that one. I know the cops believe they need some level of equal firepower and it's kinda hard to really argue against.
I'd imagine one of the neighbors(who I'm sure is a real piece of work) called the complaint--and who knows what silly **** they said on the phone.
The police arent reducing their firepower to anything closely related to or weaker than any possible wet dream scenario that the attackers may obtain. None of this defund the police is worth discussing beyond silly pipe dreams.
The police arent reducing their firepower to anything closely related to or weaker than any possible wet dream scenario that the attackers may obtain. None of this defund the police is worth discussing beyond silly pipe dreams.
Depends on what "defund" means. I think what we'll see are attempts to reduce policing while maintaining a police presence. There are some pilot cases where that seems to work almost remarkably well for some reason. That makes sense. Where I live I have no problem with a zero-tolerance to crime approach because there's no crime to speak of. But in poor communities low-level crime is so prevalent that policing it won't make a difference anyway over and above what police presence already deters. It's like arresting and charging a jail inmate for stealing another inmate's toothbrush... what's the point.
A Black woman in Michigan was issued a $385 ticket after her new neighbor called the police on her for loudly talking on a cellphone
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Diamond Robinson, a Black woman, was walking down the street in her Eastpointe, Michigan, neighborhood when her neighbor asked if she could "get off your phone or talk lower," according to FOX 2 Detroit.
In response, Robinson told the outlet she told the neighbor to"'Get out of my face" and continued walking. However, police arrived at the scene minutes later.
Robinson then began to record the encounter on Facebook Live.
"I'm not doing anything. I'm on the phone walking up and down the black that I pay taxes on. I'm confused," Robinson said in the video, which has over 30,000 views. In the video, one of the responding officers said he was writing her a ticket for "being a public nuisance."
"No, I'm not accepting that," Robinson responded. The video shows the police officer place the ticket in her mailbox.
"I get a ticket for being a public nuisance because I'm talking too loud on my phone?" Robinson said in the video.
Robinson told FOX 2 Detroit that she believes race was a factor in this incident. The report said the person who called the police on Robinson is a white woman and is new to the neighborhood.
Robinson will proceed to fight the ticket in court, the report said. In addition, she also had surveillance cameras installed at her residence after the incident.
In a news release on Friday, the Eastpointe Police Department said officers arrived at the neighborhood after receiving a noise complaint. After trying to speak with Robinson about why they were called, police said, "she refused to participate in the investigation."
"Based on Ms. Robinson's responses, the officers believed that the disorderly behavior would continue when they left," the police statement said. "The officers opted to use the least intrusive resolution for the situation by issuing a civil infraction citation rather than misdemeanor violations and/or arrest."
The police did not identify the caller, although, in her video, Robinson refers to her neighbor as "Rebecca."
The neighbor did not comment on the situation but told FOX 2 Detroit the ticket "speaks for itself."
"A lying undercover agent arrested 46 people, most of them black, on drug charges"
JFC
Those 1st 8 cases got a minimum of 20 years and they didn't find one oz of evidence that they had anything to do with drugs.
That lady towards the middle also, how can a community of 5,000 people support 46 drug dealers.
This thread, and this forum for that matter, is not a place to post arbitrary videos of violence. Nor do I have any particular inkling to watch videos of violent assault and see if it adheres to 2+2 guidelines, thus I have removed 3 posts (2 posts containing videos and one reply).
Ridiculous cowboy policing shown in the video. Zero reason to Pit a car that has slowed and has its hazards on.
I have been in that situation and did no stop on a reduced shoulder stretch like that either and that is to protect the cop. All sorts of videos of cars slamming into the back of police cars when they are forced to stop too close to the road.
In July 2020 Nicole Harper was driving home on I-67/167 outside Jacksonville when Senior Cpl. Rodney Dunn clocked her speeding.
Dunn says she fled, Harper clams she was trying to find a safe place to stop on a section of interstate that has a reduced shoulder.
Dash camera video from Dunn’s patrol car showed Harper pulled into the right lane, slowed down, and turned on hazards.
Less than two minutes after turning on his blue lights, Dunn performed a PIT maneuver, which caused Harper’s car to crash into the concrete median and flip.
“In my head I was going to lose the baby,” said Harper, who was pregnant with her daughter at the time of the crash.
Dunn’s body mic recorded him talking with Harper after the crash.
“Why didn’t you stop?” Dunn questioned.
“Because I didn’t feel it was safe,” Harper said. Dunn responded, “well this is where you ended up.”
Harper went on to say, “I thought it would be safe to wait until the exit.” Dunn said, “no ma’am, you pull over when law enforcement stops you.”
The PIT happened less than a mile from where the next exit and where the interstate shoulder widens....
“I feel like I had heard that’s what you do, you slow down, you put your flashers on and you drive to a safe place,” Harper explained.
Turns out that’s textbook what to do according to State Police’s “Driver License Study Guide.”Under
“What to do When You Are Stopped,” number one says to use, “emergency flashers to indicate to the officer that you are seeking a safe place to stop.”
After the crash, Dunn can be heard saying, “no we don’t anticipate vehicles rolling over nor do we want that to happen.” He went on to say, “all you had to do was slow down and stop.”...
PITs are becoming more common with State Police. Recent FOX 16 Investigates uncovered State Police attempted or used pits on at least 144 drivers last year. That’s almost double compared to the year before. In 2020 at least three people were killed during PITs, one was a passenger...
Other lawmakers on the committee say police shouldn’t be questioned.
“End of the day when somebody is fleeing I will never question the method police officer uses to stop them,” said Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs). “I don’t care if it’s 60 miles an hour, I don’t care if its 100 miles an hour, I want them stopped as soon as possible.”...
Ridiculous cowboy policing shown in the video. Zero reason to Pit a car that has slowed and has its hazards on.
I have been in that situation and did no stop on a reduced shoulder stretch like that either and that is to protect the cop. All sorts of videos of cars slamming into the back of police cars when they are forced to stop too close to the road.
In July 2020 Nicole Harper was driving home on I-67/167 outside Jacksonville when Senior Cpl. Rodney Dunn clocked her speeding.
Dunn says she fled, Harper clams she was trying to find a safe place to stop on a section of interstate that has a reduced shoulder.
Dash camera video from Dunn’s patrol car showed Harper pulled into the right lane, slowed down, and turned on hazards.
Less than two minutes after turning on his blue lights, Dunn performed a PIT maneuver, which caused Harper’s car to crash into the concrete median and flip.
“In my head I was going to lose the baby,” said Harper, who was pregnant with her daughter at the time of the crash.
Dunn’s body mic recorded him talking with Harper after the crash.
“Why didn’t you stop?” Dunn questioned.
“Because I didn’t feel it was safe,” Harper said. Dunn responded, “well this is where you ended up.”
Harper went on to say, “I thought it would be safe to wait until the exit.” Dunn said, “no ma’am, you pull over when law enforcement stops you.”
The PIT happened less than a mile from where the next exit and where the interstate shoulder widens....
“I feel like I had heard that’s what you do, you slow down, you put your flashers on and you drive to a safe place,” Harper explained.
Turns out that’s textbook what to do according to State Police’s “Driver License Study Guide.”Under
“What to do When You Are Stopped,” number one says to use, “emergency flashers to indicate to the officer that you are seeking a safe place to stop.”
After the crash, Dunn can be heard saying, “no we don’t anticipate vehicles rolling over nor do we want that to happen.” He went on to say, “all you had to do was slow down and stop.”...
PITs are becoming more common with State Police. Recent FOX 16 Investigates uncovered State Police attempted or used pits on at least 144 drivers last year. That’s almost double compared to the year before. In 2020 at least three people were killed during PITs, one was a passenger...
Other lawmakers on the committee say police shouldn’t be questioned.
“End of the day when somebody is fleeing I will never question the method police officer uses to stop them,” said Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs). “I don’t care if it’s 60 miles an hour, I don’t care if its 100 miles an hour, I want them stopped as soon as possible.”...
Just imagine how ****ed this guy would have been without the neighbourhood camera capturing this incident? How many felonies this guy would have been convicted of?
How the entire trajectory of his life would be forever changed.
And does anyone not think any investigations or charges these two have laid in the past should be vacated in the way a rogue prosecutors often are?
There is an assumption in law that criminals lie. They lie to protect themselves. They lie to indict others. They lie. What this means is that any evidence or testimony they give has to be treated by the system with a high degree of skepticism. It needs to be corroborated and if not its value, on a stand alone basis, is worth very little, in most instances. And that is a good thing as criminals have no credibility.
I think it is pretty clear, at this point, that such an assumption should also apply to police, at least during violent confrontations by people with the police.
A situation where the police conduct could be a problem for the officer can instantly be turned into one where he instead gets commendation simply by lying. By simply using a lie to label the innocent citizen a criminal, that person is then denied any credibly in their testimony.
I am not saying all cops lie like that, but what i am saying is the system needs to build in that 'corroboration is necessary' and if it not there (no video footage, independent witness, etc) then the value of that police testimony must be discounted immensely.
Just as an accused testimony needs to be discounted without corroboration so too should all police officers testimony. We can no longer ignore their self interest to lie and it's impact.
The cop was documenting the protest with a camera, and that’s when he was detained and beaten, had his phone destroyed
Just crazy how many recording devices break down around cops. Will cops ever stop being so unlucky that the way to back up there story gets lost or damaged so often?
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During the trial, Hall testified that he didn’t identify himself to Boone and the other officers because he didn’t want to out himself to the protesters.
That's a paddlin'. We've got to assume that, as an undercover cop, he probably wasn't doing too much wrong other than being in an area and looking a certain way, right?
Police Killed A "Good Samaritan" Who Fatally Shot A Gunman Who Had Killed A Cop
Johnny Hurley "undoubtedly saved many lives" when he killed a shooting suspect, only to be fatally shot himself by police responders in Colorado.
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The video does not show the shooting, but police said Troyke then shot Beesley twice, killing the 19-year veteran.
Troyke returned to his truck at one point and changed weapons, picking up an AR-15. As he was walking back to the busy commercial area, police said, Hurley confronted him.
"It is clear that Mr. Hurley intervened in an active shooting that unfolded quickly," Strate said in his statement Friday. "He did so without hesitation."
Hurley shot the suspect with a handgun, Strate said, and "undoubtedly saved many lives Monday afternoon."
But when another officer arrived at the scene, the police chief said, he saw Hurley holding Troyke's AR-15 and shot him.
Strate's confirmation that police shot and killed the same man who stopped an unfolding shooting in the middle of the day contradicted his department's assertions earlier in the week that Troyke had shot and killed Hurley, who had not yet been identified.