"My opinion is this ; as we come together as a country to reimagine policing after the tragic death of George Floyd, the reforms we make need to be consistent with the values that make this country great."

You're entitled to your opinion. You're still blind, full stop.

Not to mention arrogant for assuming you know more than I do about the criminal justice system and that I "don't know what I'm talking about"

The part about reforms we make being consistent with the values that make this country great is a load of bullshit lip service I've been hearing for literally my entire life. It is remarkably tone deaf, not unlike the bullshit IHIV spews every so often. Tone deaf and oblivious

I love you.my main thought about this traffic stop is that it seemed pretty routine. A lot worse things could’ve happened to this guy. If I went to the suburban city prosecutors office right now I’m sure there’s like 20 cases more interesting/ questionable.

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Uh we do need to re imagine policing..

What are you even trying to communicate with this post? I genuinely have no idea

Watch the video. The civil rights rights activist indicated the need for compliance.

the video is also really ****ing dumb. they are attempting to push the narrative that the only possible options available are 1. kill unarmed civilian or 2. be killed by unarmed civilian..

Not, it's not. If you're truly concerned about the use of force from police officers, you should be discussing everything that leads to the use of force. Saying that doesn't justify all instances of police use of force. I find it the most hypocritical thing that all these people who rail against the cops, do everything to justify defiance and non compliance of the person involved. You basically have to be a moron to think non-compliance isn't a component of 99% of use of forces scenarios. However, you all rationalize and justify the non-compliance every single f****** time.

If you care about these humans being hurt and killed, you should be critical of the non-compliance just as much as you are of the cops. But you're not, so I find your criticism of the cops not credible.

You're in this thread justifying police violence against a man for not following conflicting orders. One cannot both display one's hands and get out of a car with a closed door. Had he pulled one hand inside the window so as to open his door, and then the cop blew him away, it's hardly a stretch of the imagination that you'd be in here arguing "What else could the cop have done? He didn't follow the order, and he could have been reaching for a gun!"

And no, we should not be as critical of non-compliance as we are of the cops. People are unaccustomed to and untrained for playing a life or death game of Simon Says while staring down the barrel of a gun. People stress out, man. We should expect more of the person holding the gun than the person on the other end.

Reminds me of this.


Is it in the original dispensary container?..

THEN YOUR’E ****ED!!!!

Oh you found a video that supports what I said earlier. Thx.

This video is all about point 1, I put below.


Castile was an example of 'comply and sometimes still die'.

Isn't there some distinction between the police restraining someone and kneeling on their neck?

I kept waiting for him to drop dead of a heart attack.

no you shouldn't. you shouldn't be trying to hold everyday citizens to the same standard of PROFESSIONAL POLICE OFFICERS.

that's like umping a little league game and expecting them to understand the rules exactly the same as MLB'ers. gtfoh

We need to do a hell of a lot of things, but to act like we need to "come together" is just rank ass bullshit

What we need is white people (Especially the rich ones that politicians will listen to) to stop acting like the system isn't rotten to its core. What we need is cops to stop defending other cops when they truly break the law, or at least prevent them from doing so. As Ice Cube has said, just turn in the bad dudes, man, c'mon...

I don't pay ****ing taxes so the cops can defend the Columbus statue in south Philly. I pay them to uphold the law and do everything humanly possible to preserve harm and loss of life, including keeping a suspect whole before the trial should one be necessary. Whole. Not full of bullet holes

NWA didn't make **** The Police because they hate police by choice. They made the song because they were speaking on actual life experience. Or are we OK with Rodney King just getting beaten within an inch of his life because he pissed off a handful of cops who probably joke about ******s behind the scenes? You forget that we can film all this **** now, there once was a time when cops had free reign to put a bullet in your back and get away with it. And we know **** like that had to have happened, because we have video of that **** happening even today, because these pieces of **** thought they weren't on cam. Surprise! They still don't care. You want us to "come together" on George Floyd? How about one of those cops just say dude Derek get off of him before he dies

Instead they just kept the weight piled on his limp body and that **** was like Do The Right Thing all over again. **** outta here with this together ****

Over ****ing $20. For a guy who probably needed drug rehab and mental health services, not a ****ing knee to his neck for damn near ten minutes

And when Chauvin walks and all these disingenuous right wing pricks laugh and celebrate, there's going to be more protests and more riots and the same usual suspects are going to point at the protests and the riots and blame "them"

But we need to come together. For realz

Where in the thread is anybody criticizing a cop for shooting what looks like a violent 6'10" guy barreling at him with no back up?
This thread started because of a handcuffed suspect dying in police custody with a knee on his neck and most recently a guy getting pepper sprayed while showing his hands and not acting threatening.

I guarantee you, none of you going to teach your children to act like that lieutenant did, and if you do, you should be stripped of your parental rights.

Let's see. If I was a black man, I might very well teach my kids that they shouldn't pull over on the highway at night, but instead should slow and proceed to the first safe place. It seems, from the quote that has been provided at least twice so far, that the police expect that as well. I think I would most likely teach them to record interactions with the police. I'd teach them to be careful around the police, and that when they are told to put their hands outside the car, they should do it. I'd also teach them that they should never reach inside the car for ANYTHING without being sure that the police understand what's going on.

I would suggest that the difficult teaching would be what to do if they are scared of what might happen to them, and are told by the police on hand that they should be. How to make sure they're able to stay calm and have a conversation about how they can unbelt themselves with their hands outside the car.

But I know, this guy was perfectly calm, not even slightly afraid, is lying about everything, and aside form sort of being dicks, the police did nothing wrong here. Maybe I'd just get you to come teach my kids about compliance, because there is absolutely nothing more important than that.

Above post is good

Is this before or after the mass shooter drill?

Let me ask you mr. NWA straight out of Compton y’all better make way, why is the little rainbow haired boy writing a book while Martha Stewart did her time and never said a word. Could it be that blondes do it best?

I think you’re trolling because that one comment to luck box was obviously tongue and cheek and I’ve already laid out many many serious recommendations then people like you come out to talk about George Floyd who don’t even know what’s going on? I bet you don’t even know who Curtis flowers is. And then you try to tell me you’re the expert. I’ve been karened. I hope it doesn’t happen to you.

and then there’s you saying you think that post is good , but arguing for children in handcuffs.

I, um, wait, what?

You might want to reread his posts, because you've clearly misunderstood them.

Which, by the way, is usually a good thing to do first when you see the same person post things that seem to be expressing oddly divergent or contradictory viewpoints.

No, I didn’t he purposefully misrepresented what I said earlier. Then I asked him about it, he ignored me , but chastised me for other things . You might want to reread the exchange. I do not seriously think doorbread wants that, but 1- he technically said that. 2. When I asked him about it he didn’t respond and 3. If he’s blatantly misrepresent what I said, then how am I supposed to know what he literally said isn’t the truth? I’m mad about it.

I did reread it, before I posted in reply to you - something it seems like you should have done if you think he was advocating for handcuffing 6 year olds.

Here's your exchange about this; let me know if I missed something:

So, I assume you didn't understand what he meant in his post. Here's what I read:

If someone can't figure out they shouldn't cuff 6 year olds, they shouldn't be a cop.

Things are pretty sad if cops need written rules to stop them from cuffing 6 year olds.

About the same as the first sentence I interpreted.

Nothing there comes anywhere near arguing for children in handcuffs.

And I'd agree with what I took as the point of his post - that when a cop thinks it's appropriate to cuff 6 year olds, a lack of rules against cuffing six year olds really isn't the problem.