The LT would be trained in how to use military (ie deadly) force if need be. It's the police who need to know how to handle a traffic stop that isn't going by the book.

I think he messed up by not allowing the cop to open the door. But that should have been handled verbally under the circumstances. As long as the guy has both hands out the window he's not a threat. Hell, just tell the guy he can keep his hands up and wait for the MP's to come or just get out and get his ticket. It's not really that hard if you aren't trying to rush the process for no good reason.

HIV said it. I don't see anything other than minor discipline or nothing.

ya I edited for clarity

I think the only mistake the LT made was not additionally powering down the rear driver side window before the cops got out of their own vehicles. Turning on the overhead light would have been good as well

no, you are the one lying. he did not break the law for driving slowly for like 2 minutes to find a safe spot to park. it was not a police chase.

it's the;

- 'comply or die' ...

- 'comply and sometimes still die' ...

dilemma police often put people to.

Seems like there was an opportunity for police to grab keys from car. Could have avoided the whole situation.

Unless you immediately slam on the brakes, you are a “fleeing suspect” and it’s totes okay for the cops to mace you and draw their guns on you.

You are blind. Full stop

That was in response to a particular lockbox post in a particular fashion. I post about criminal justice issues on lots of forums and with 1 or 2 exceptions you all simply don’t know enough about this to really discuss the criminal justice system with me. I have noticed out of 100’s of posts I have made about the failures of our criminal justice system and threads no one wants to discuss the real problems or issues , they just want to talk about specific stops , in this case a pretty boring one. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

Not the typical type post for this thread but interesting nonetheless.

Are Police COVERING UP A Political Assassination?

pretty sure if you stop right away but in a dangerous spot they can charge you. esp if someone gets hurt.

He had tags. He just bought the car and had a temporary one in his rear window

It wasn't some high speed chase. You're allowed to travel to the nearest well lit area when getting pulled over. At least that's what a cop told me a long time ago. It's meant to ensure the safety of all involved

I've been pulled over before and instead of stopping right where I saw the cop's lights on, I drove until I could turn in to a spot that wasn't blocking traffic anywhere

If I'm pulled over on a highway and there's nowhere to go, then maybe I'll just pull over as a mode of practicality, but if I know there's a gas station ahead, I'd much rather be there and would definitely continue on to it. Highways are dangerous. I know someone who went to help a stranded motorist change a tire and he got hit by a car. He's now paralyzed...Getting off the highway is safer for for everyone

Antifa dude had a heart condition.

Also, drugs.

I’ve been stopped by police about 20 times in my life. I thought the number was so low because I’m pretty much well behaved.

depends on the jurisdictions, but mostly no. the officer just needs to have a "reasonable articulable suspicion". but the officer normally doesn't have to articulate that to you right away.

detention is a specific term that's just for cursory holding and questioning based on reasonable suspicion. it also can last a "reasonable" amount of time, whatever that is interpreted to mean. "arrests" generally then trigger the 4th amendment protections.

to my knowledge, if the police are arguing that they "reasonably suspected" the vehicle had no tags and they were "investigating" that, then they could hold unless,
quote blocks are from Rodriguez v. United States(2015) which originally was about a potentially unrelated dog sniff on a traffic violation, but would seem to apply to all extended detentions for matters unrelated to the initial reasonable suspicion for the stop.

One of my dear friends was arrested for the following reason: she was driving to work in the middle of the day. She got pulled over for briefly dipping into a bike lane: the officer had her step out of the car . after examining her listened/ registration searched her pockets and found 4 pills. She explained that these were adderall prescribed by her doctor. He explained he had no way of knowing that. She got booked for drug possession. The crime lab fee is 500 dollars. They made her pay for each pill to be analyzed so that was 2000 dollars and the lawyer hired a doctor to help with her legal case in court. She didn’t get convicted of anything but there was an arrest, and about 10k in legal fees over her prescribed medication.

The bar for being arrested is very very low and not the same as the bar for a conviction.

Thanks Slighted, always appreciate your posts on these questions.

You guys really need to knock off this nonsense. It wasn't a police chase, and this never needed to be treated as a felony stop. And if you don't believe me, you should listen to one of the cops involved:

They knew very ****ing well why he proceeded to the gas station before stopping. So given that they knew, it should be no different than if he had pulled over on the highway immediately. With him pulled over, they should be able to clearly see his temporary plate. That leaves them with tinted windows. So, this is a felony stop now...why, exactly?

If the cops aren't approaching with guns drawn, screaming at him, none of this **** happens. And there was no reason they needed to be.

And as has been posted before, their own police department seems to agree this was not handled properly, as they fired Gutierrez, and it sounds like that happened quite some time ago.

Exactly.

The aclu has a lot of very good state by state information about what you can and can’t do during a stop. I’d recommend reading up a bit on the state you live in regardless of what you think of aclu’s politics.

That's ****ed up. You aren't supposed to have to pay to prove you are innocent.

Yeah I know it makes me upset just thinking about it. Cops are not usually monsters so they don’t use the full legal powers that they have at all times, but the powers that they do have on paper are vast. And this was a white suburban girl! Like I said, cops are not monsters most of the time but basically anyone can be arrested at anytime. Some rogue cop could in theory come out to your house and arrest you for Robbing a bank with little to no evidence.

It should be said that in this case it likely would not have played out that way if the officer did not notice she had a previous conviction for pot possession.

But yes In many jurisdictions you pay crime lab fees and all kind of fees. Like jail fees are very common.

Edit: if you do ever get a possession charge even if it’s a pot posession charge where it was a misdemeanor and all you had to do was take a class and a small fine, make sure your car is clean at all times because from then on every time, for the rest of your life that you get pulled over you’re someone with a drug history.

Do you know why they paid a doctor for this case? If those pills were from a prescription why not just show that?

my office used to do charging decisions in the break room while we were eating lunch..

literally deciding whether or not to charge people with life changing felonies while one hand is in a bag of potato chips..


in fact we were required to keep all the charging documents in the break room, a room with no computer access and only old statute books, and not take them back to our offices(i consistently broke this rule) because some ada's would lose the packets and forget to bring them back to turn in.

A prescription from a doctor is not guaranteed to hold up in court. For example you can get a dui for prescription drugs that you were prescribed by a doctor. It is technically illegal to carry prescription drugs outside of a prescription drug bottle in your car.

Using drugs you are prescribed by a doctor will usually hold up in court. But not always. Many such cases.