You’re mostly right but you are wrong to say suburban housewife NEVER gets treated like that. Suburban people get shot too.

The nature of police brutality is really societal brutality. QP is right about people being seen as less than. But It’s really everybody who is less then in a society that doesn’t value people.

A bit off topic but I will say I've been reading up on Prisoner TikTok accounts and how they've been humanizing prisoners and exposing the horrible conditions of many prisons around the country.

The fact that we dehumanize prisoners is why private prisons are allowed to flourish while doing horrid things. Some profit incentive isn't a bad thing to make sure prisons are efficiently run while meeting standards. However, there seems to be no standards to speak of in many states. Instead, private contractors have been used by many state legislatures to divorce the government from the responsibility of taking care of the prisoners, giving states that already treat their prisoners terribly another layer of plausibility to enable even worse treatment.

We, as a society, have allowed much of that to happen because we just haven't deemed the humanity of prisoners important enough. I hope TikTok, and social media, can change that.

To the Internet in general and Social Media specifically: for once, live up to the promise of mutual understanding please.

So, scammed again.



This guy drove for a mile and a half, and did not comply after repeateded commands, he was setting up his phone while they're telling him to put his hands outside, after driving for a mile and a half with lights behind him. Go to the start, a little after..and Tatum breaks it down. The cops also deescalated, went from guns, to tasers, then to pepper spray. He didn't listen until he was peppered sprayed.

This guy is going to lose his commission.

I love this post and I’ve thought about this a lot. The much bigger problem is what happens after the arrest. 99 times out of 100, the arrest is just step 1 of a 100 step process. When people only want to talk about the moment of arrests, as brutal as they on occasion are, to me it often sounds like they are arguing for a more seamless prison industrial complex even though that’s not the persons intention 99% of the time.

Tap dancing Jesus. Imagine having endless apologia for police violence on speed dial while calling vaccine passports authoritarian and expecting to be taken seriously.

Watch the video, all angles, and watch how many lawful orders this guy did not obey, after driving for a mile and a half with lights and sirens behind him, then report back. It was a legal traffic stop to which he failed to comply with at every step of the way, and argued with a cops, and actively tried to keep his door shut, until they used pepper spray. Oh, he had a gun in the car to. Why isn't he dead? It's because these cops did their job correctly.

If you can't follow lawful orders you don't deserve to be in the US Army, which is a bigger consequence than getting pepper sprayed for not following lawful orders.

This guy wants to get paid because he didn't listen.

I would argue the opposite and that the rest of your postings on this have little to no awareness. If a person does not have the critical thinking skills to be able to figure this out on their own then they shouldn’t be a cop. The bar has to be set unspeakably low if you think this is something that needs to be written down. So low that the people that need it to be that low in order to clear it probably should not have any power over another human being

Huh. Failing to follow orders can and should cost you your job, even if it's a government entity taking it away from you, you say?

Tell me how many lawful orders this guy violated. Then tell me the penalties that service members are aware of when it comes to uniform code of military justice for failure to comply with a lawful order.

First off, figure what out?

I'm sorry to hear that. Who scammed you?

I mean, I'm sure you can't be talking about this:

Because that's exactly what I took out of the video and the original article. Every last bit of it...there's not a single revelation in your post.

Oh, wait, I just went back and read your earlier post, and I understand now. Again, sorry you got scammed, but you probably should have watched the original video/read the article more carefully.

How embarrassing.

That didn't take long lmfao

Just obey the vaccine requirements. Or just obey the orders to get counseling.

There are shitloads of lawful orders you oppose people following and that you oppose people facing consequences for not following. "One most obey lawful orders" is not a principle you hold dear. Sure looks like you just like police violence but hate having to respect other people by getting a vaccine.

He was driving for a mile and a half, that was not put into the article. That's what made it a felony stop. That changes the nature of the stop. I was going based on his account. But the post detention discussion he had with the cops which was recorded and clearly indicated he was being followed for about a mile and a half. You can claim the cop is lying... but I see no evidence to indicate the cops lied about what occurred.

Also, I didn't see what he was doing when he came to a stop. Instead of putting his hands outside the car window, he put his phone camera on, and then attempted to argue with the officers. Vice only showed one angle, and shortened the clip. This guy knew what was up. I gave him the benefit of the doubt even though he did not comply with officers, him driving for an additional mile and a half changes the entire complexion of the situation. It now makes sense why they responded that way.

A US Army officer takes an oath, bro.

This guy would have you believe that he's more of a proponent of free speech than his opponents.

To not film cops in traffic stops?

Doctors take oaths too!

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Ah, I see...the article said less than a mile. Yeah, a little more than half a mile more is sort of a game changer.

Scary ****.

Can you imagine? A low speed chase for an entire mile and a half. Wow. I mean, what else could we expect the cops to think?

Oh.

Set up his phone...why would he do that? It's mystifying why a black man would want to make sure a confrontation with police was recorded.

Really, between the harrowing high speed chase and then the blatant disregard of orders, having the temerity to set up his phone first, the officers pretty much had no choice.

It's hard to imagine what the guy was so afraid of.

Nazario: "I'm, I'm, I'm honestly I'm afraid to get out can I..."
Cop: "Yeah, you should be, get out!"

Oh.

He didn't listen to the cops until he got pepper sprayed, after not stopping in a reasonable amount of time. He was givien multiple opportunities to listen to them, they lessend their use of force each step of the way. Nothing changes those facts.

LOL
Dude got lit up with lights on a highway. Since you should always fear for your life when being randomly pulled over by the local gestapo he drove to the nearest well lit place he could find.
1min and 40 sec drive while driving under the speed limit the whole time.
This is not something uncommon and surely this old redneck err.... police officer knew exactly what the person is doing. He is not fleeing, it's quite obvious what he's doing.
Then even after they see he is in military uniform, acting calmly and they feel comfortable enough to holster their guns and point only pepper spray at him they still cannot answer the simple question of why did you pull me over.
At this point they can easily talk to the guy and explain why he is pulled over.
But their little egos are still hurt too badly that this person didn't get on their hands and knees and start licking boots on command.

Maybe military people in uniform do not have the same constitutional rights as a civilian and they need to blindly follow any "lawful" orders, not sure but the cops are 95% of the problem in this situation whether everything they said and did were by the book or not.

He gets out of the truck when he's told to, he doesn't get pepper sprayed. I don't know what planet it is you live on, but not listening to the cops is more likely to get you killed than listening to them.

This whole idea that you're going to argue, fight and not listen to cops because you're scared, is just stupid.

Wow.

Well, he did listen to the cops long before being pepper sprayed. He pulled over, and whether that was in a reasonable amount of time really depends on whether it's understandable he wouldn't want to pull over on a dark highway or not. And he also listened to them by putting his hands out of the window. Which, by the way, then makes him unable to get out of the car. It would seem the only order he didn't listen was one that directly contradicted another order he was given, which I believe you acknowledged earlier but now seem to have forgotten:

Now, if you want to sit there and pretend that it's not reasonable to want to pull over somewhere lit, with witnesses, and that it's not reasonable for him to be afraid that if he goes against their other order and reaches in to undo his seat belt, he could be shot when the cops "thought he was reaching for a gun", then I really don't know what to tell you.

Context matters.

B*******. You know what I would do in that situation. Hey bro, can I take my seatbelt off? I wouldn't be arguing with officers. I wouldn't be fiddling with my phone.

Obviously he's seen they had guns drawn so it was a serious situation, at least to the cops. That's not the time to argue and resist. No matter how bad you think the cops are, this guy didn't do himself any favors either.