About 3/5ths as much seems perfect amirite

that would be a simpleton view.

People will Ooboo for the prisoners, crying 'pay them a full wage or leave them in the prison cells' while the prisoners are saying 'STFU, this is something we enjoy doing and it is better than what we would be doing otherwise', but that is human nature for the nitty Karen types of this planet.

Normal humans can distinguish between different circumstances.

^^^ re my post above and exposing how disposed to flawed thought so many are,

I worked as an inmate Supervisor in the Kitchen. This prison let other prisoners volunteer and prepare all the meals that they got under the supervision of a paid team (me and others) of supervisores.


Someone like Victor would say 'I want to stop their exploitation and them working for free' and he would get them locked back up while feeling he did some great good. Meanwhile the prisoners themselves would be pissed.

The kitchen cooking job was one of the most coveted in the prison and the list of volunteers was miles long.

Prisoners would talk about one of the biggest challenges of being in prison being the monotony of sameness. Same places, same faces, same routines, and anything that broke that up was massively desirable. So getting to go outside and walk the road sides and pick up garbage or time working in the kitchen were highly desirable. But no Ooboo cares about that. Scrap it on their behalf because the Ooboo is offended. Ridiculous.

strong, but the slaves really enjoyed learning a skill and they really liked to impress big masta in the big house energy.

or, to take race out of it, strong, the serfs really loved us energy.

but the most offensive thing is your patent strawman and lies. you think I, of all people, want prisoners to sit and rot in jai doing nothing? Im a defund abolitionist you ****ing idiot.

liars lie. keep lying liar.

so was Samuel L Jacksons job

liars lie. keep lying liar. the only offensive thing is how much you lie.

my quibble, which everyone on this board already would know - other than that idea that humans shouldnt be locked up by a terrible lying state apparatus - is that they should at least be payed a fair wage. bc they are human beings doing work ya know.

I wont strawman your argument so I will ask you why you think they should be paid less?

I wonder at what rate they're hired by the companies that are making sweat shop margins off of them once they're released? If a realistic % of them have jobs when they get out or are given some priority when jobs open up with those companies that would be something. I'm guessing this must be the case.
My cousin was a telemarketer in prison for years. I'm pretty sure he went to work for that same company when he got out. He quickly left and is quite successful now and I'm sure the work program in prison helped hone his skills but he was already pretty talented.

I excised some posts here from the Ukraine thread, so that thread does not get bogged down.

My post has nothing to do with prison labor and isn't tied to any recent or current tangent. It is just musing that belongs in the war thread and not woven with some labor rants.
With that said idc what you do with your forum as I'm obv not vested here.
You can start a new thread on the profiteering of war that would make more sense as it has nothing to do with prison or labor and certainly not prison labor.

We all know Russia is dead wrong here and it's not even close. That doesn't mean we can't talk about the rich war barons, if it does lmk

No lies. You are just a ridiculous person.

When the person in jail is asked 'anyone want to volunteer to go clean up the yard for some outside time' and a whole bunch of prisons jump at as it is truly enjoyable for them, Victor steps in and says 'for your own good I must stop this as I can't have you be like Samuel Jackson in that movie'.

Victor then goes home feeling good he saved the prisoner that outside time work. The prisoner sits in his cell cruising and hating Victor. Victor says to himself 'it is for the greater good'.

No private companies should be involved IMO.

If their is a path to a full time job upon release I wouldn't be against it.
It's pretty hard to get a non ditch digging job upon release from prison.
Don't know if I'd want to throw someone right from prison into a work environment, transition may be tough but there should be something there.
Also would "toughen" up the office culture a bit
;-)

Victor why would I ever pay a convicted felon market labour when I can pay the same non convicted person on the outside market labour?

Yea, but this ignores that they are taking employment from non prisoners and can be exploited as a source of cheap labour to the detriment of non prisoners.

Indeed, that was just a misclick. That post has been moved back to the original thread. Your post here might look a little weird as a result.

these are your lies. lol you just invent and entire thing that I never said.

anyway, how do you feel about minimum wage? indentured servitude? the slaves in Gulf states?

after all, they were all given a choice and volunteered.

for the last year, every single major newspaper has been running articles about how they just cant do anything to find enough workers. hell, even in my democtratic city there are signs in front of restaurants saying that they are shutting down (or closed for certain days) bc "no one wants to work".

so I dunno, you are the capitalist, maybe pay them enough to work bc last I checked from the Wall Street Journal you really need workers?

nah, you are a capitalist so you will just use money from the state to lock them up in jail on another petty offense (pretty easy since they are already tainted as as "felon') and then force them to work for slave wages bc their alternative is rotting a jail cell with no stimulation or fresh air.

Didn't think I'd see an actual defense of slave labor ITF.

prison camps? forced labour?, the gulag concentration camps in china are only comparable to the holocaust, somehow nobody us talking about this now.

inside a camp here. millions are locked up and probably forced to work.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...t-13557717.amp


China and Russia need each other, and a majority of all gas and oil goes to China, yes from Russia. You always hear Nordstrom and pipelines from Russia to Europe, but never hear about the pipelines that are and get built right now going to China.

and Taiwan=Ukraine right now, which could get much worse than Ukraine.

aha

look up power of Siberia pipeline.

"Does Russia sell oil to China?
Russia has become China's biggest supplier of oil as the country sold discounted crude to Beijing amid sanctions over the Ukraine war. Imports of Russian oil rose by 55% from a year earlier to a record level in May, displacing Saudi Arabia as China's biggest provider.20.06.2022
https://www.bbc.com › news › busin...
Ukraine war: Russia becomes China's biggest oil supplier - BBC ...

that's where the oil goes now, to "discounted rates" incredible.

how come I never heard of this? you guys never even mentioned it.

Fun Fact: The US has a higher incarceration rate than China and Russia combined. We have more people in jail than China, a country with a billion people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rceration_rate

The issue is that it then distorts the market place if certain companies have access to this cheap captive labour and others do not.

In my view, if private companies are availing themselves of this labour it must be at full market rates of minimum wage and above.

This would only apply if you assume the jobs of cleaning the side or the highway and combing the forests for deadfall and brush would be done by paid labour if the inmates did not do them.

I am only arguing for those types of jobs.

And i understand there is a grey area here. We had a case of retirees raising donations and going out and planting flowers in my hometown one year when the city counsel said they had no budget to plant flowers that year. Union city workers then yanked all the flowers out saying they were impacting Union jobs. The argument being that if retirees did not do it, then Union workers would have to and them volunteering removed the need of the city to find the budget.

But I maintain there is no amount of side of the road cleaning or forest scrubbing that inmates could do, that would preclude the need for paid workers if they were ever going to pay them. There is more work than could be done by both combined in areas like that. So there is no lost opportunity to paid workers.

These jobs are done by paid Labour in basically every European country afaik, I obviously dont know the policy in every country but would assume USA is the outlier in doing this at least in developed nations.

There’s this movie called “Schindler’s List,” some of you guys should really check it out.

Minimum wage should track inflation as it always did prior to becoming politicized but overall I support there being a minimum wage.

Indentured servitude and slaves in the Gulf States are not given free choice and volunteering you are ignorant of reality.

I did not lie but prove it if you think i did. Do you support allowing the inmates to get that type of activity (work) in or if it was your choice would you prevent them doing so?