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Originally Posted by MoViN.tArGeT
gl trying to convince someone that russia should keep Crimea a pretty much 0% ukraine state to stop nuclear war on the internet
Ukraine is hardly a nation without faults, but as far as crossing borders is concerned, it has since its most recent independence of the early 90s been one of the most peaceful nations of Europe. That was an an independence guaranteed by Russia, mind you. It was also based on a referendum in all Ukrainian regions, including Crimea.
So in this hypothetical nuclear strike, we could summarize the events like this:
a) Russia guarantees the sovereignty of a country.
b) Russia invades said country in 2014 and 2022, which at the time of the first invasion had been a peaceful nation and at the time of the second still represented no threat to Russian soil.
c) That country defends itself
d) Russia launches a nuclear weapon
You have to jump some very complicated ideological hoops to make this out to be the fault of anybody but Russia. Russia would be the country that ignored their own guarantees, Russia would be the country willing to invade, Russia would be the country which started a full-scale war and they would be the country willing to launch the first nuclear weapon. I mean, sure, nuclear war is a grave threat, but this hypothetical is more Russia stumbling itself into nuclear war than it is some cold-war style joint effort.
Of course, most of the "nuclear" talks from Russia is meant to create chaos in western media more than represent some kind of actual strategic threat. We know this because a lot of this stuff comes from outside Putin's inner circle. They know our media loves a big fat red headline that feeds on fear, and it is easier for them to exploit that at the moment than it is to create political headwinds.
All this said, we've seen Russia scale back the nuclear weapons rhetoric, probably because it is starting to cost them the support from China and India.