I lash out?

bro I get you so mad that you call me a Trumper.

I wouldn't say you ever lash out. That could be a little projection from CP

Victor labels pretty much everyone who disagrees with his stances (which is all people) as neoliberals or with some other such slight.

I consider that lashing out.

I think I usually refer to people as liberals rather than neoliberal. Not that there is any difference. But neoliberal is an intentional policy ad ideology from the 2 American parties in power.

Liberal is more apt for the standard American political observer that could never conceive that the framework of the current status quo needs to change.

So, you're clarifying that, and you still think that QP never questions either of those groups?

You probably don't even know what neoliberalism actually is and just call every capitalist it, because you take cues from other tankies. A lot of us don't believe in absolute laissez-faire economics, Reagan's voodoo economics, or Thatcherism, or under the delusion that markets are infallible and divine. You'd do better using capitalists in place of neolibs in most cases.

You say you're not stuck at being a 5 year old, but your vocabulary is roughly that of one when it comes to politics.

Russia is a European nation that borders Korea and dudes are confused about why they might want to annex Ukraine.

Why is the west so interested in Ukraine, for all those years, to begin with? I mean, things would probably have taken a different turn if not for that euromaidan thing, supported by the west, 9 years ago? Natural resources? Isolating Russia?

Wanting puppet regimes, defying reasonable ethics standards, and closing eyes to a few civilian deaths here and there, is not exactly a russian monopoly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_C..._d%27%C3%A9tat

And?

Euromaidan? What is that about?

Because the US sponsored a coup in a far away country 50 years ago, we should be happy with Russia invading to take over its neighbor now?

Mineral and energy resources are big there. It's also a geo political x factor as a gate way between Europe and Russia; it's future as being part of Europe or Russia is up for grabs rn. I'm sure there is a bunch of historical importance to Russia as well, not to mention covert factors I have no clue about. These are just the plainly obvious reasons

The interest is in having a Europe where countries don't install puppet governments in their neighbors, or fight wars to take territory by force. If all of these things occurred in Belarus western support would have been the same, there isn't a special interest in Ukraine.

Oh I see, just a few civilian deaths here and there in Ukraine. Something something happened 50 years ago wuttabout that, so that makes this all good in your eyes.

Not disputing the atrocities @campfirewest. Just that it´s really easy to take a lot of guys on the street violently protesting and leading to the fall of a government as if the whole country really wanted that, back in 2013. Maybe they did, maye not. Crowds on the street give the impression that it´s really the will of the majority, when that´s not always the case. And if that never happened, this invasion in 2022 most likely woudn´t have happened, the donbas civil war, maybe even Crimea annexation.

Anyway, it's done. Just wanted to understand the importance of Ukraine, now I more or less do, so thanks folks.

First, it's naked aggression which should not go unchallenged. Second, a dictatorship is like a business in that it cannot stand still and always has to move on to the next thing. If Putin succeeded in Ukraine, he would move on to the next thing. There's a reason why Sweden and Finland have suddenly decided they want to be in NATO. Lack of resolve or resistance on the part of the West would invite Putin to go further. Third, Putin has made a catastrophic error, exposing the weakness and incapability of his military forces on land and in the air, and it very much suits the West to exploit this in order to contain his schemes.

Sums it up nicely. There is also the secondary effect of getting China to think more deeply about what happens and how the world may respond if they invade Taiwan.

I don't know, it would be tough to get weapons into Taiwan if China decided to invade and surround it by warships.

50 years? Nah the USA is helping with civilians death and genocide in Yemen and Palestine right now. And civilian death in many other places esp in Rojava.

The incident quoted was from 1973. Feel free to enlighten us with information about these ongoing issues.

The USA supports Israel and Saudi Arabia. Both are doing genocide. USA sends weapons and support to both oppressing nations. They use the media to downplay and blame the victims or bully the media into ignoring it.

That is why I do not believe the USA is on the force of good in Ukraine and why I often say that if by chance USA are the good guys in the Ukraine/Russia conflict then it would be the first time for them. More likely, USA is exploiting both sides and helped to start and escalate this conflict and the whole media onslaught is not as sincere as most American liberals believe.

I don't know the situation in Yemen, but it is totally ridiculous to say that Israel is committing genocide on the Palestinians. If they wanted to kill every Palestinian within their controlled territory, they could likely do so pretty easily. They're obviously not just trying to kill every Palestinian. You just discredit everything else you post with such a ridiculous claim.

Cool to mention Taiwan btw.

It is not a member state of the UN since the early 70's.

Most countries recognize mainland as the real China, including the United States.

Most countries don´t even have official diplomatic ties with Taiwan, including the United States.

I never heard any western country calling this one China policy BS, that mainland China should go f*** themselves and moving their official diplomats to the island, and yet, they are prepared to defend this little island and punish the mainland if it acts on this exact one China policy they seem to tacitly agree.

I realise I´m being a little bit too confrontational today, but it´s a strange world, what can I do?

Is there a Taiwan thread here?

Cheers

You have no idea what the term genocide means. It's not trying to kill everyone.

And the Russians arent "killing every Ukrainian" either so I really don't get the comparison.

Anyway, I'd suggest a quick Google search before we go further.

I didn't compare it to the Russia / Ukraine situation, you did. It's definitely not genocide.

The classic "genocide" is what the Nazis attempted to do to the Jews. Do you really think what the Jews do to the Palestinians is at all similar?

I found this definition online, it's not as strict as what I would use, but it's not bad:

To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group.

Considering the actual actions that have been taken, and that plenty of Palestinians live and vote as citizens of Israel, I don't think it's near fitting that definition.

I actually would say that the neighboring Arab countries have tried to commit genocide on the Israeli Jews; they're just really, really bad at it.

I don't disagree that the US is in this for it's own purposes but you're completely discounting Russia's escalation. Let's say for arguments sake that the US was instrumental in a coup (which overthrew a Russian puppet), as you think. Russia was not forced to put troops in Crimea for a sham referendum, Russia was not forced to back separatists in the east. Without Russian involvement in both those areas you don't get the years of the Donbass war. Russia then makes the further unforced move of invasion. Even if the US is responsible for a coup (which again would seem like a wash given Russia's influence on the previois leader) all major escalatory behavior since has been Russian. You can even make the case that the West did not respond strongly enough to Crimea which helped Russia believe they could continue the land grabbing without major consequence.