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Originally Posted by lozen
Got some work to do Victor to pass me. I eat up all those right wing talking points especially Tucker's though I rarely watch his show unless he has a guest i am interested
Lets see my right wing talking points on Russia and Ukraine
Dems and GOP all love a good war they can agree to both spend on defence
Nato countries should be paying their fair share especially at this time when Russia has invaded Ukraine
If there was a peace deal on the table giving Russia Crimea and independance to the Donask Region and Ukraine agreed not to join Nato. It should have been taken
Oh yeah I felt safer under Obama and Trump than Sleepy Joe (right wing nickname)
That both Dems and GOP almost always, if not always, give the Pentagon a bigger budget than they come to ask for each year proves that to be true. That the Pentagon does not have to keep a tight audit trail of where that money goes, speaks to that.
The 'Nato needs to pay' is both true and a Trump pushed right talking point. For decades the US leveraged the fact they were the defacto policeman and paid more into NATO and the UN as a flex of their power and extension of it. It was a way to help keep all the other nations in line. Much like CHina is leveraging its new silk road now to try and create a similar dynamic, as they want to make sure they can have defacto control of the UN and then get the UN to bless their worst actions.
So fine if you are repeating that point out of some feeling, as a Canadian that we and other nations need to pay more. Fair enough. But if you are uncritically pushing it simply because you heard Trump beat that drum... then again, you got caught.
Re the last point, I don't believe anyone but Ukraine should decide what they will take but I would agree it would be wise for them to consider any such offer, especially with the threat of a GOP takeover of the House who can instantly put Ukraine in a terrible spot, and i think will by saying 'Negotiate a deal with Russia by this date or we cut funding'.
I absolutely think that is what the House will do. They will keep repeating they are just seeking 'Peace', when they know that then transfers most of the power in the negotiation to Putin. He can demand far more than they are wiling to give knowing they need to get a deal done within a time frame and he does not. I hope if it plays out that way you won't buy into the GOP House talking point and will be more critical than that.
lastly, the most important people in the equation, the generals who are the only hope of stopping a rogue POTUS, feared Trump having the nuclear button so much they did things that he could have fired them for, by putting in processes to protect the world from him. He alone, amongst all other POTUS they feared to this degree.
And I understand you say 'who cares what top generals think because I am lozen and post on 2+2 and have my own special insights. Here are some 'whataboutisms' for you all to consider.
But I would invite you to reflect critically on how you got there. How you can simply hand wave away and dismiss the top military brass so easily in this area while think and maintaining whatever insights you have are the more important in this consideration?
And what i am not saying is that it is wrong for you to have been duped by right leaning talking points. As that can happen. I am just seeking if you can step back and examine it yourself with any critical eye.