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11-13-2021 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
This is correct and it comes up a lot.

These concepts are prior to the law. Good law is an attempt to codify and enforce the concepts that make up what we believe is good and bad, right and wrong, desirable and undesirable.
I don't really agree with this description of good law. This seems to suggest that we start with a concept of what is good, and then use law to put that concept into practice. I would say instead that this goes in both direction, with good law (especially in common law jurisdictions) operating more as a reflective equilibrium. We have some concept of what would be good, then put it into practice through law, but then based on the actual effects of law through the courts revise that concept, which then changes the law, and so on (this is more obviously true of common law jurisdictions). Here legal concepts are understood as the result of evolutionary changes in how we should think of some basic moral ideas, sort of similar to a rudimentary form of machine learning.
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11-13-2021 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
And this is where I think Rococo and i earnestly butt heads.

I think he is often speaking to the legal definition of certain words and how they are treated in law and just thinks I am trying to take creative license around that to not concede or to hold up my point. Or in some instances he thinks I am just making a not intended mistake like we all do.

That does not define my position.

It is not mistaken or based in a lack of understanding, as i understand the legal definitional aspect (thus my Counselor comment not intended disrespectfully but to suggest I know he is speaking to strict law) and rather I reject allowing a powerful word like that to be taken solely into legal context so those in power can say 'see we are not guilty of taking bribes because the law as defined , says we are not'.


It is immensely powerful to give those who craft laws the ability to simply define away any thing they do as not illegal simply because they hold the power of legislation. And while we cannot stop in reality (they can pass the law) we can and SHOULD refuse to cooperate in society.

When a lobbyist pays a politician that is in direct opposition to their stated prior position and that of the citizens they represent and their clear desires, and that politician takes the money and votes the Corporate line (such as both Sinema and Manchin clearly do) we NEED to label that Bribery, regardless of how crafty the politicians were in trying to exclude themselves from that abuse by simply giving it another name and then defining it as legal.
My post about bribery had nothing to do with legal definitions. And legal definitions of a word rarely differ in a material way from ordinary definitions of that same word that you would find in a Webster's dictionary.

I'll give you another example of the point I was trying to make. Victor stated at one point that all Biden/HRC types, and even some progressives, were Republicans. My response was:

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We can define "Republican" as "anyone who does not favor socialism". And if we agree on that definition, then you are correct. But it doesn't make your argument correct in a discussion with the 99% of the population that does not accept your definition of "Republican".

I could define "giant" as "anyone who weighs more than 100 pounds". And if we agree on that definition, then we can confidently state that the overwhelming majority of politicians are giants. But my argument that most politicians are giants isn't going to be persuasive if I am talking to someone who rejects my highly idiosyncratic definition of "giant".

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11-13-2021 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
My post about bribery had nothing to do with legal definitions. And legal definitions of a word rarely differ in a material way from ordinary definitions of that same word that you would find in a Webster's dictionary.

I'll give you another example of the point I was trying to make. Victor stated at one point that all Biden/HRC types, and even some progressives, were Republicans. My response was:
In debate parlance, a word being used in an ad hoc or idiosyncratic way would be classified as a Stipulative Definition.

e.g. "For the purposes of this debate, I will use the word bribe to refer to the giving of money to a candidate for public office."
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11-13-2021 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
In debate parlance, a word being used in an ad hoc or idiosyncratic way would be classified as a Stipulative Definition.

e.g. "For the purposes of this debate, I will use the word bribe to refer to the giving of money to a candidate for public office."
Oh, I get it now! Like when you say you are "not anti-science", you are working with a stipulative definition of "science".
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11-13-2021 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Oh, I get it now! Like when you say you are "not anti-science", you are working with a stipulative definition of "science".
Your reads are you usually pretty good, but not this time, Sport!

Chess????
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11-13-2021 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Your reads are you usually pretty good, but not this time, Sport!

Chess????
Got a couple of MTTs on right now, maybe in a bit if you're still about.
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11-13-2021 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Got a couple of MTTs on right now, maybe in a bit if you're still about.
Shoot me an e-mail or PM if/when you want to play.
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11-13-2021 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
My post about bribery had nothing to do with legal definitions. And legal definitions of a word rarely differ in a material way from ordinary definitions of that same word that you would find in a Webster's dictionary.

I'll give you another example of the point I was trying to make. Victor stated at one point that all Biden/HRC types, and even some progressives, were Republicans. My response was:
Fair enough.

I accept no one has to accept my definition. My call is more of an advocacy one. I am calling on people to reject that definition and label certain things as they are.

I accept not everyone will agree.
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11-13-2021 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Shoot me an e-mail or PM if/when you want to play.
Curious. Do you guys trash talk one another as you play chess?
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11-13-2021 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Curious. Do you guys trash talk one another as you play chess?
No. We joke a bit, but no real trash talk.
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11-13-2021 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Curious. Do you guys trash talk one another as you play chess?
Not really. I just swear a lot when I lose. Got a warning from the site for it lol.
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11-13-2021 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
No. We joke a bit, but no real trash talk.
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Not really. I just swear a lot when I lose. Got a warning from the site for it lol.
Damn. I kinda wanted to hear it was battle chess.

Ya that's your knight m****er. How dumb do you feel about that move now!

(actually now that i write it out seems lame. Normal chess will do)
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11-13-2021 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Curious. Do you guys trash talk one another as you play chess?
LOL. I wondered about this as well. d2 and lagtight have a strange relationship.
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11-14-2021 , 07:15 AM
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the FBI was hacked

are the black hats sharper than the white hats?

I think so


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...l-cyberattack/


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11-15-2021 , 10:08 AM
It is near impossible for agencies like the FBI to hire and retain the top talent in the hacking, counter hacking world as those people, even the ones who stay strictly within the law, will always make multiples more money outside those agencies.

They can hire consulting firms in security with some good talent but even those are unlikely to be the very best.

The way they often get their best anti-hackers is when they arrest and convict a hacker and then make it part of their probation that they must then work with them.

So overall I would answer your question 'yes the black hats are sharper'.
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11-15-2021 , 06:59 PM
Getting access to a mail server (which is not where mails are stored, it is just a server for either sending or receiving mail) and faking some outgoing mails isn't exactly top notch hacking material.

My guess: Someone™ configured a mail server wrong or ran outdated software, someone else™ figured it out and used is as the send server for a chain of e-mails.

Whatever anti-cyber top dogs the FBI have, they're not configuring mail servers.
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11-16-2021 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Getting access to a mail server (which is not where mails are stored, it is just a server for either sending or receiving mail) and faking some outgoing mails isn't exactly top notch hacking material.

My guess: Someone™ configured a mail server wrong or ran outdated software, someone else™ figured it out and used is as the send server for a chain of e-mails.

Whatever anti-cyber top dogs the FBI have, they're not configuring mail servers.
Seems reminiscent of this:


https://xkcd.com/932/
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11-16-2021 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Seems reminiscent of this:


https://xkcd.com/932/
Aye, from the technical viewpoint that seems very apt.

The risk to the target is probably higher on a mail server, since if you can pose as a legitimate sender to various filters, you can probably run some phishing scams with much higher chance of success. Still, you'd have to be daft to do that against a federal US law enforcement agency. Unless you come from a country with no US extradition treaty and don't plan any vacations abroad for the remainder of your life.
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11-17-2021 , 04:19 PM
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Man at center of GOP vote fraud hype, pleads guilty

a story that formed the basis of Republican voter fraud claims in Nevada,
only to have the man at the center of that story admit in court that he lied about voting on behalf of his own dead wife
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/...y-126409797816
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11-17-2021 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
Yes time and time and time again the examples of voter fraud found are almost all Republicans doing it.


The voter fraud issue is one of the cheating spouse riddled with paranoia and convinced their spouse must be cheating. Why? Because they are. Pure projection.
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11-19-2021 , 12:54 AM
Wokism seems to be on the way out

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11-19-2021 , 01:57 AM
Wokeism was never a thing. It's a nothingburger put together by Fox to create faux outrage. Like voter fraud and CRT. Just a gimmick to trick the idiots into being mad.
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11-19-2021 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BuckyK
Wokeism was never a thing. It's a nothingburger put together by Fox to create faux outrage. Like voter fraud and CRT. Just a gimmick to trick the idiots into being mad.
Wokeism was put together by Fox has got to be on the short list of dumbest things said in this Forum in 2021.

Full disclosure: There are probably at least three or four of my posts on the short list, so I welcome any and all competition.
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11-19-2021 , 10:38 AM
Don't be mad that you got suckered into it lagtight.

I understand people say woke, but wokeism is literally brought up by fox daily. It's because they want little scared children to give them money to protect them from the big bad brown boogeyman.
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11-19-2021 , 11:03 AM
Only boomers even use the term woke
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