Republicans have the majority. They don't need any help from the Dems.

Yes, you are wrong. You poisoned your brain with right wing nonsense and now you cannot really think anymore.

Agreed

Not sure anything was taken for granted, as this had never happened before.

Anybody who didn't see this coming when KM sold his soul to win the speakership simply wasn't paying attention or thinking. It was inevitable. It was only a matter of when.

Yeah...McCarthy didn't even try to make a a deal with dems, so not sure else could have happened. Has anybody cast a vote for speaker from another party in the last 100 years?

So u decide that a vote against Mccarthy was necessarily a support for Gaetz and not a vote against McCarthy because McCarthy lost ?
It just not possible in your mind democrats just voted against republicans that are highly anti democrats in both cases ?

Well I disagree.
Both of them are knucklehead so I don’t see why democrats would vote for either one of them .
What happen is one knucklehead (gaetz) is too stupid to realize that it’s him that plays in the hands of democrats by siding with them by voting against the interest of its own party .
And you luckbox try to turn this into a democrats issue lol .

While those stupid republicans fight between each others and not doing an opposition job , it’s good for democrats .
Why wouldn’t democrats vote for that instead imploding they supported gaetz ?

Once upon a time, 2p2 was a forum full of smart people. Now there are several posters that are complaining that the Democrats did not vote for a Republican speaker of the house. What happened to this place?

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukra...ns-ammunition/
Ukraine is ‘freaking out’ as McCarthy chaos threatens US aid

We know the Gaetz faction of the Republican Party wants to end aid to Ukraine, so they would be perfectly fine with such an outcome. But I do wonder if this isn't some master Machiavellian maneuver by the Democrats to stall aid to Ukraine, where the blame can be put on Republicans, to help Dems in future elections in competitive districts and even the Presidency.

Democracy is in serious danger of burning down. The resposibility of everyone is to make democracy work. Or we will lose it. The aim isn't to sit in the ashes and point at those who dun it.

No comment on the specifics as I have no idea beyond it can't be great to enable the most extreme bunch to get their way (if that's what happened)

If someone was like 210 democrats voted for something and 8 Republicans and that thing happened, and then told you the 8 Republicans were responsible for it, you would think that person was insane....yet here we are.

If there was a vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the house tomorrow, and none of the Republicans voted for her, would they be to blame for there still not being an elected speaker?

They would be to blame for Nancy Pelosi not being the speaker, obviously.

all nancy's fault? surely hunter or hilliary had a hand in this too!!

None of this is very hard. You guys just have to try to make some things more complicated than they really are. In this case you just treat every congressperson has having the same degree of agency in their votes. Then when something passes you blame the people voting affirmative, and when something fails you blame the people voting negative. Super simple. Not sure how this observation marks the downfall of smart people posting here.

Luckbox, don't try to rationalize things as if you have ever had anything intelligent or coherent to say. It doesn't suit you.

You're the one being the dumbass here, not me

I am not even arguing Democrats giving McCarthy the boot is a negative thing. If he was a bad speaker and they had the opportunity to boot him, then so be it. I just found it strange how everyone just uncritically accepts the media framing that gives Democrats no agency at all.

And from the Democrat perspective I wonder what the long term plan is, as they are basically giving leverage to the Republican faction that isn't willing to work with them at all at the expense of the faction that has shown some willingness. Its not like they teamed up with moderate Republicans that would be willing to support a Democrat speaker, which would actually make sense politically.

FWIW, most of the right wing Twitter activity (including some prominent Republican politicians) seems to view this as a positive, as they see this as an opportunity to install a speaker that will be more willing to go after Democrats politically, and to stop funding Ukraine and deficits spending (even if it means a govt shut down).

You'll see them make some sort of deal before they stop funding Ukraine even if that means Pelosi is speaker.

They aren't stopping a war because of 8 people

the party with tons of power had nothing to do with this?

what are the odds of a Dem speaker being elected?

Expecting democrats to vote for a Republican speaker that try constantly to invent stuff to impeach a democrat president is such a normal course of actions right ?

Who said anything about expecting them to do that? Please quote the part where someone said or suggested that they should or would vote for McCarthy. Certainly there is nothing like that in the post of mine that you just quoted.

Sure, if they didn't give you the context of the full story.

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Why did McCarthy got booted out ?
Because of Dem or rep ?