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03-22-2023 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
It's because Europe does the diametric opposite of what Fox News tells them to do.
Can you cite some proof that European leader watch Fox News and base their platform on doing the exact opposite of what they support please.
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03-22-2023 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Better job with mental health and health care generally than the US, I don't know about Canada. Police are generally less confrontational and more helpful from my limited experience. And no, fentanyl is not really a thing here yet. Cocaine has become as commonplace as weed and I think there's some growth in meth use but so far there isn't an epidemic of overdoses.

I am completely guessing here but I think it's not any one factor. Wealth inequality is lower in much of Europe. Conditions that might lead someone to drugs like stress from housing affordability, work/life balance, and child support are generally much better in Europe, although some of this is declining here too. Some of it is probably cultural as well. Every time I come back to the US to visit family I am shocked by how much more aggressive the culture is.
I would add fewer guns and more homogenous populations into the explanation mix as well.

The U.S. has a highly diverse population. The U.S. has benefitted from that diversity in numerous ways, but it indisputably makes the U.S. harder to govern than, say, Sweden.
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03-22-2023 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I would add fewer guns and more homogenous populations into the explanation mix as well.

The U.S. has a highly diverse population. The U.S. has benefitted from that diversity in numerous ways, but it indisputably makes the U.S. harder to govern than, say, Sweden.
Fewer guns definitely but some of Europe is more diverse now than you would think. Sweden has more immigrants (as a share of population) than the U.S. for instance. Germany as well. The U.S. is still probably more diverse over all though.
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03-22-2023 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Can you cite some proof that European leader watch Fox News and base their platform on doing the exact opposite of what they support please.
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Nearly all European countries have a universal health care system. Though some people refer to it as Europe's "free health care" system, in reality, it's not really free. While each country has its own variation, the common denominator is that everyone pays for health care as a society — intending to minimize the overall expense and spread around the cost and risk so that an unlucky few are not bankrupted by medical costs. This also ensures that those living in poverty can get the care they might not otherwise be able to afford.
https://www.ricksteves.com/travel-ti...care-in-europe
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03-22-2023 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Fewer guns definitely but some of Europe is more diverse now than you would think. Sweden has more immigrants (as a share of population) than the U.S. for instance. Germany as well. The U.S. is still probably more diverse over all though.
Fair enough on Sweden. I haven't been there.
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03-22-2023 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Im not sure how that article proves your point that European Leaders watch Fox news and do the opposite?

Europes health care system by far is better than the USA but take a country like mine with Universal Healthcare that is a complete mess

Another note is in Europe they do not allow drug companies to advertise on TV and the cost of medications pales in comparison to what they charge in the USA
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03-22-2023 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Fewer guns definitely but some of Europe is more diverse now than you would think. Sweden has more immigrants (as a share of population) than the U.S. for instance. Germany as well. The U.S. is still probably more diverse over all though.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...-shifts-course

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ad-2022-08-12/

The sentiment seems to be that Sweden has failed to property integrate its immigrant population, has created a generation of disaffected youth living in migrant ghettos with crime and poverty more comparable to US ghettos than the rest of Sweden. And this isn't just Fox News talking points. Even the the liberal MSM seems to have been acknowledging this.

It does not appear Sweden is the example of a diverse, functional, progressive social democracy that you would like it to be. It is just a matter of the scale being so much smaller the neoliberal elites have been able to suppress what is going on better. And of course a lot less guns, so a lot less gun death even if other dynamics are comparable.
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03-22-2023 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
I think you're kind of the minority here of feeling safe. Would you be cool with your wife or daughter riding these buses everyday solo?
I don't really know, as I don't have a wife or daughter, but for an adult woman during regular morning commuting hours to evening commuting hours I think I wouldn't worry about it.
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03-22-2023 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...-shifts-course

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ad-2022-08-12/

The sentiment seems to be that Sweden has failed to property integrate its immigrant population, has created a generation of disaffected youth living in migrant ghettos with crime and poverty more comparable to US ghettos than the rest of Sweden. And this isn't just Fox News talking points. Even the the liberal MSM seems to have been acknowledging this.

It does not appear Sweden is the example of a diverse, functional, progressive social democracy that you would like it to be. It is just a matter of the scale being so much smaller the neoliberal elites have been able to suppress what is going on better. And of course a lot less guns, so a lot less gun death even if other dynamics are comparable.
I didn't pick Sweden as an example, I only answered Rococo's point regarding diversity. I agree that they've got issues with crime stemming from poor integration. On the other hand, poor integration programs are not really something particular to progressivism but rather particular governments. This outlier doesn't invalidate my point that European cities on average are much more liberal and much more functional than American cities.

Btw, I'd still choose Stockholm over an American city. Comparable crime but much better social welfare.

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03-22-2023 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Im not sure how that article proves your point that European Leaders watch Fox news and do the opposite?
If you're going to insist on being ridiculously literal like this, I didn't say they watch Fox News, simply that they do the opposite of what Fox says to do.
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03-22-2023 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
If you're going to insist on being ridiculously literal like this, I didn't say they watch Fox News, simply that they do the opposite of what Fox says to do.
OK what does Europe do the opposite of what Fox News says we should do?
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03-22-2023 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
OK what does Europe do the opposite of what Fox News says we should do?
I already posted a link for you.
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03-22-2023 , 04:19 PM
Doing the opposite of what FOX news says is a generally sound approach in the real world unless you are FOX news appealing to your very derpy passive customers. In that case the best play is be exactly like FOX news and tell them what they want in the easy to digest angry format they prefer and figure out what to do with all the money they willingly hurl at you.
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03-22-2023 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
I already posted a link for you.
No you posted a thread that says Europe has universal healthcare . You were clearly trolling and your statement is a total lie . It's what you do troll and lie
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03-22-2023 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
No you posted a thread that says Europe has universal healthcare . You were clearly trolling and your statement is a total lie . It's what you do troll and lie
LOL. Of course there was some hyperbole/trolling in there, but it's not even close to a lie. Is it really so hard to figure out that he's referencing the fact that most European countries tend towards progressive policies, and Fox, not so much? Not sure why some lampooning of Fox News is so offensive to you.
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03-22-2023 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL. Of course there was some hyperbole/trolling in there, but it's not even close to a lie. Is it really so hard to figure out that he's referencing the fact that most European countries tend towards progressive policies, and Fox, not so much? Not sure why some lampooning of Fox News is so offensive to you.
Correct but many of these policies were in place before Fox even came into existence. So what he stated is a blatant lie but only was trolling The board or new moderator has a rule against blatant trolling which is what he did . I'm just pointing it out .
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03-22-2023 , 07:23 PM
There ought to be a forum rule against being deliberately obtuse like this. I shouldn’t have to spend five pages explaining the plain meaning of simple posts and having people nitpick irrelevant details. You know what I’m trying to say, address that or move on.

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03-22-2023 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
There ought to be a forum rule against being deliberately obtuse. Like, I shouldn’t have to spend five pages explaining the plain meaning of simple posts and nitpicking irrelevant details. You know what I’m trying to say, address that or move on.
I suspect most of us know that you are a pathetic troll.
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03-22-2023 , 07:28 PM
Could you tell that from the way he laughs?
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03-22-2023 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Could you tell that from the way he laughs?
Hard to imagine TROLLY laughing.
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03-22-2023 , 08:03 PM
OK, so instead of saying "They do the opposite of what Fox News says" I guess I should have said "They enact liberal policies." Sorry, I honestly thought the meaning was pretty clear there.
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03-22-2023 , 08:14 PM
It was, but you were being mean to Fox News without also being mean to Rachel Maddow or Don Lemon.
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03-22-2023 , 08:16 PM
Don Lemon is a dipshit for sure, I hope we can agree on that.
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03-22-2023 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
OK, so instead of saying "They do the opposite of what Fox News says" I guess I should have said "They enact liberal policies." Sorry, I honestly thought the meaning was pretty clear there.
I accept your apology
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03-23-2023 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
I don't really know, as I don't have a wife or daughter, but for an adult woman during regular morning commuting hours to evening commuting hours I think I wouldn't worry about it.
Tons of homeless people, public transportation and loved ones are not a combination I think most people have no problem with.
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