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11-29-2021 , 02:44 PM
The concept of abolishing work seems to be picking up steam. Covid and the Great Resignation are helping it along. People are sick of toiling at crap jobs for peanuts so a few billionaires can get richer.

However I don't see abolishing work altogether as possible or likely. However, it can be reformed. I read this proposal online and I think it makes some sense:

28 hour work week = FT
$28/hr minimum wage, increased annually based on inflation
28 vacation days

This seems a little too draconian for my taste (I'd prefer 16hr work week and 2 months vacation). But it's a start.
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11-29-2021 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Commentary on the times we live in? Attention whoring, true dissatisfaction, both?

So many women claim, wrongly, that they cannot find 'real', 'serious' men.

So many men say they cannot find any women whatsoever and thus are incels.

They internet, like in most areas, did not create dating relations problems but it exponentially exasperated them imo.



FORMER model Elizabeth Hoad has given up on men after 220 failed dates — and is going to “marry” her dog.

Elizabeth, 49, hopes to persuade a priest at her local Catholic church to bless her union with six-year-old Golden Retriever Logan.

She will wear a wedding ring and Logan a gold wristband, top hat, waistcoat and bow tie.

A pal’s huskies — Ajax and Bear — will be best men on August 2, the first anniversary of when she got the rescue pooch.
There is one thing those 220 dates had in common.....
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11-29-2021 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
The concept of abolishing work seems to be picking up steam. Covid and the Great Resignation are helping it along. People are sick of toiling at crap jobs for peanuts so a few billionaires can get richer.

However I don't see abolishing work altogether as possible or likely. However, it can be reformed. I read this proposal online and I think it makes some sense:

28 hour work week = FT
$28/hr minimum wage, increased annually based on inflation
28 vacation days

This seems a little too draconian for my taste (I'd prefer 16hr work week and 2 months vacation). But it's a start.
You could do that but you're essentially just raising the min wage and the businesses that can afford that are some of the businesses that are ran by billionaires.

We'd live in a Tesla owned everything delivered by amazon and finishing our food purchases at the Walmart pickup lane shithole with nothing much else.
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11-29-2021 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
The concept of abolishing work seems to be picking up steam. Covid and the Great Resignation are helping it along. People are sick of toiling at crap jobs for peanuts so a few billionaires can get richer.

However I don't see abolishing work altogether as possible or likely. However, it can be reformed. I read this proposal online and I think it makes some sense:

28 hour work week = FT
$28/hr minimum wage, increased annually based on inflation
28 vacation days

This seems a little too draconian for my taste (I'd prefer 16hr work week and 2 months vacation). But it's a start.
Who's going to pick up the slack to produce the same amount of stuff we currently consume, Santa's elves?
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11-29-2021 , 03:14 PM
Well you could argue that even a small business person should be able to pay a living wage to their employees. Big corporations don't have a monopoly on sh***y bosses or lousy pay and working conditions.
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11-29-2021 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
Who's going to pick up the slack to produce the same amount of stuff we currently consume, Santa's elves?
Automation increases productivity. We should be working far less than we did 50 years ago. Instead we work more, for less, while income inequality is at disgusting levels.
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11-29-2021 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by formula72
You could do that but you're essentially just raising the min wage and the businesses that can afford that are some of the businesses that are ran by billionaires.

We'd live in a Tesla owned everything delivered by amazon and finishing our food purchases at the Walmart pickup lane shithole with nothing much else.
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11-29-2021 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Cuepee,

You and I don't agree on everything, but we agree that technology has warped social interaction among the comfortable class in the developed world in a way that is probably a net negative.
To be honest Bumble and Tinder have been great for me. Especially during covid when direct interactions have been so limited.

I began what I call my 'Born Again Single' years just over 10 years ago. Free of familial responsibilities and able to live my life where and how I wanted.

I am in a good place financially and I keep myself in very good shape and as such I think I am in my dating prime. I am not a pretty boy but I get enough attention to keep me happy. And I can easily find a lot of attention and dates, especially thru the App's if I want them.

I have a lot of guy friends who have not aged as well, and have not had great success in their careers. They are not poor but they are kind of stuck in the (lower )middle class workers rut, with few assets and little disposable income and they have a very different single life than I do.

I've mentioned it before but there is always a percent of men (~10% imo), that when single (and some even when not) desire as much sex with as many different females as they can get. A different gal every night. If this guy is good looking, has any game, and is on Tinder or Bumble, he has found his nirvana. I have 2 pretty boy guy friends that basically the only criteria they subject women too is 'will you come over'? If the woman is not attractive to them even a bit then they don't want to go out on dates. They are not going to dine them. But they also will not say 'no' to any women willing to come over for just sex. She may show up hoping for more but he is not offering more. Not to her.

And as such the 70% of women who are not that attractive and the 15% who are attractive but not at these top 10% of male players are gravitating to these men who will now make time for them. Is it an ego boost? Do they actually think they will 'win over' the player? I don't know.

But time and time and time again when I go out on a first date with a gal, so many of them say 'oh those Apps are just for hoking up', which tells me what THEY have used them for, purposely or not. We almost always end up chatting about it and it is always the same story. They meet these good looking, interesting guys but they are only interested in sex and not relationships. Well ya, that is the reality for that Top 10%. Go to the bottom 70% of guys on those Apps and these women would have a completely different experience but no woman is swiping on those guys. Not when, even as an average gal she is getting the Top 10% of guys swiping on her as well. Just not for the reason she wants.

IT is a very sad dynamic when I talk to my guy friends who are so turned off by it (no one ever picks them) but also the women who get so jaded (it is just for hooking up) because they are just missing one another in the pool.
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11-29-2021 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Well you could argue that even a small business person should be able to pay a living wage to their employees. Big corporations don't have a monopoly on sh***y bosses or lousy pay and working conditions.
The reality is that a lot of small business owners just don't make much money. Those small business owners may be shitty bosses on a personal level, but that doesn't mean they are rolling in dough.

And even if there was enough profit to support the wage hike, in the current environment, I suspect it would be difficult for a lot of businesses to hire enough employees to manage the transition from 40-hour work weeks to 28-hour works weeks.
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11-29-2021 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
To be honest Bumble and Tinder have been great for me. Especially during covid when direct interactions have been so limited.

I began what I call my 'Born Again Single' years just over 10 years ago. Free of familial responsibilities and able to live my life where and how I wanted.

I am in a good place financially and I keep myself in very good shape and as such I think I am in my dating prime. I am not a pretty boy but I get enough attention to keep me happy. And I can easily find a lot of attention and dates, especially thru the App's if I want them.

I have a lot of guy friends who have not aged as well, and have not had great success in their careers. They are not poor but they are kind of stuck in the (lower )middle class workers rut, with few assets and little disposable income and they have a very different single life than I do.

I've mentioned it before but there is always a percent of men (~10% imo), that when single (and some even when not) desire as much sex with as many different females as they can get. A different gal every night. If this guy is good looking, has any game, and is on Tinder or Bumble, he has found his nirvana. I have 2 pretty boy guy friends that basically the only criteria they subject women too is 'will you come over'? If the woman is not attractive to them even a bit then they don't want to go out on dates. They are not going to dine them. But they also will not say 'no' to any women willing to come over for just sex. She may show up hoping for more but he is not offering more. Not to her.

And as such the 70% of women who are not that attractive and the 15% who are attractive but not at these top 10% of male players are gravitating to these men who will now make time for them. Is it an ego boost? Do they actually think they will 'win over' the player? I don't know.

But time and time and time again when I go out on a first date with a gal, so many of them say 'oh those Apps are just for hoking up', which tells me what THEY have used them for, purposely or not. We almost always end up chatting about it and it is always the same story. They meet these good looking, interesting guys but they are only interested in sex and not relationships. Well ya, that is the reality for that Top 10%. Go to the bottom 70% of guys on those Apps and these women would have a completely different experience but no woman is swiping on those guys. Not when, even as an average gal she is getting the Top 10% of guys swiping on her as well. Just not for the reason she wants.

IT is a very sad dynamic when I talk to my guy friends who are so turned off by it (no one ever picks them) but also the women who get so jaded (it is just for hooking up) because they are just missing one another in the pool.
The problem I am describing (and that I thought you were describing) isn't limited to finding satisfying sexual relationships.
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11-29-2021 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Well you could argue that even a small business person should be able to pay a living wage to their employees. Big corporations don't have a monopoly on sh***y bosses or lousy pay and working conditions.

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Originally Posted by revots33
Automation increases productivity. We should be working far less than we did 50 years ago. Instead we work more, for less, while income inequality is at disgusting levels.
We are literally losing the cool small businesses like unique restaurants and parlors, family owned comic/book shops, batting cages, recreational fun places like miniture golf and other fun **** as a result of both automation and the fact that those businesses can't pay as much.

You'll end up spending all your extra free time fat and depressed while jerking off and waiting for your amazon brand turkey club sandwich from a doordash robot. Because we are already half way there as a result.
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11-29-2021 , 03:35 PM
So your argument is that lower wages and more work hours makes us happier?

I'm not sure if your quibble is with the exact wage amount or work week I quoted, or with the very idea that workers could and should work less, and get paid more of the share of money currently flowing to the top 0.1%.

You seem convinced that the way things are is either the only possible way, or optimal. Both of which are clearly wrong.
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11-29-2021 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
The problem I am describing (and that I thought you were describing) isn't limited to finding satisfying sexual relationships.
Not limited to, agree.

Structurally, socially, interaction wise, social skills wise, I think all those and more are skills that are in decline due to people retreating more and more in to technology and reducing real world engagements.
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11-29-2021 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33

I'm not sure if your quibble
My quibble is that I already get that you don't want to see folks work crap jobs for low pay while all the money goes to the rich folk - and I would agree that it's a problem and needs to change.

My point is that your solution which is only beneficial insofar of the hours worked less (which can be accomplished better with other means) is directly benefiting .01% and increasing the rate at which the bottom teir businesses dry up.

Because your new found raise to $28 is going to get you the same amount amazon hand lotion when the adjusted supply and demand reaches its new equilibrium. Income inequality reverts back and you now have the .01% become the .001% with the next level of businesses wiped out even quicker.
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11-29-2021 , 04:01 PM
Taxing the rich and using that money to fuel businesses or products or organizations that low income people actually want is a far better start. Not having people work 1 hour a week for $784.
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11-29-2021 , 04:22 PM
Revots

Just massively tax the rich over a certain profit and let the govt dispense the money accordingly to what people want. Be it libraries, Suzannes Diners, put and huff golf, Harry's comics, youth batting cages, chess clubs and other ****. Socialism! Pay them a living wage, while letting the kids have fun while somewhat protecting what the dollar can buy.
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11-29-2021 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Automation increases productivity. We should be working far less than we did 50 years ago. Instead we work more, for less, while income inequality is at disgusting levels.
We would be working far less that we did 50 years ago if we were content to produce and consume the same amount of stuff we did back then, just as the people working 50 years ago wouldn't have had to work as much if they were content with 1920 living standards.
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11-29-2021 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
Human scum empowering Antifa and possibly helping cause the Waukesha atrocity.

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The world is full of scammers. Some of those scammers claim left-wing politics. Checkmate.

Is that how this works?
"claim"

theres a reason she keeps evading any sort of repercussions and has access to uhauls filled with weapons. and it aint bc shes "left wing".
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11-29-2021 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
We would be working far less that we did 50 years ago if we were content to produce and consume the same amount of stuff we did back then, just as the people working 50 years ago wouldn't have had to work as much if they were content with 1920 living standards.
Productivity thanks to technology does not go up in a straight line. We are exponentially more productive vs 50 years ago, compared to workers then vs. say 1920. Which means we could have plenty of goods and services without working more hours. Where has all the excess productivity gone? Into the pockets of the mega-rich mostly.
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11-29-2021 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Productivity thanks to technology does not go up in a straight line. We are exponentially more productive vs 50 years ago, compared to workers then vs. say 1920. Which means we could have plenty of goods and services without working more hours. Where has all the excess productivity gone? Into the pockets of the mega-rich mostly.
Then you should specifically favor redistributing taxed money towards govt paid income for the poor and middle class and govt services, holmes.

Wage hiking and reduced hours would do nearly the opposite of the type of utopia that you're proclaiming to want and is exactly how an amazon or walmart troll would pretend to fight for the "working folk!"
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11-30-2021 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
FORMER model Elizabeth Hoad has given up on men after 220 failed dates — and is going to “marry” her dog.

Elizabeth, 49, hopes to persuade a priest at her local Catholic church to bless her union with six-year-old Golden Retriever Logan.

She will wear a wedding ring and Logan a gold wristband, top hat, waistcoat and bow tie.

A pal’s huskies — Ajax and Bear — will be best men on August 2, the first anniversary of when she got the rescue pooch.
I figured that bi*ch would find the love of her life at some point.
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11-30-2021 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I figured that bi*ch would find the love of her life at some point.
I'm eagerly awaiting their only fans premiere.
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11-30-2021 , 09:58 AM
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I'm eagerly awaiting their only fans premiere.
And on that glorious day, a bunch of horny guys searching for "amateur doggy style" are going to get a bit more than they bargained for.
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11-30-2021 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
FORMER model Elizabeth Hoad has given up on men after 220 failed dates — and is going to “marry” her dog.

Elizabeth, 49, hopes to persuade a priest at her local Catholic church to bless her union with six-year-old Golden Retriever Logan.

She will wear a wedding ring and Logan a gold wristband, top hat, waistcoat and bow tie.

A pal’s huskies — Ajax and Bear — will be best men on August 2, the first anniversary of when she got the rescue pooch.
Remember the old Slippery Slope Argument: "If you allow X to marry Y, then soon people will be marrying their dogs?"

Guess the argument wasn't so far-fetched after all. (Pun intended.)
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