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04-03-2020 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Or we could just use modern knowledge and expertise instead of ****ing ancient instinct and cultivating a fear of people that are different than us. But nah.
This includes knowledge of why we have the instincts we do in the first place.

We are instinctively wary of "outsiders" because they bring novel diseases we aren't adapted to, and so xenophobia it was selected for. So we should have systems in place to stop and screen people entering the country if a potential pandemic should arise, which is exactly what Taiwan did, among other knowledgeable actions, to stop this from every becoming a thing.
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04-03-2020 , 08:42 PM
Or we could just use our knowledge of how it spreads and put away the idiotic irrelevant talk about instincts. But you want instincts to be seen as relevant and important. I do not wonder why.
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04-03-2020 , 08:55 PM
Fear of difference and fear of the unknown converge and diverge.

Fear of the unknown about the virus and fear of the unknown of encountering the virus are two distinct fears.
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04-03-2020 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
This includes knowledge of why we have the instincts we do in the first place.
Well, why would we want to do that instead of justify your gut feelings?
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04-03-2020 , 11:14 PM
Alabama did the most unconstitutional thing I have ever witness today. You have to see it for yourself. The Guv held their official shut down announcement in a church and “allowed” the preacher to go all ham for a while. That dude spewed platitudes like it was just an ordinary judgement day.
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04-03-2020 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Alabama did the most unconstitutional thing I have ever witness today. You have to see it for yourself. The Guv held their official shut down announcement in a church and “allowed” the preacher to go all ham for a while. That dude spewed platitudes like it was just an ordinary judgement day.
Why is that unconstitutional?
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04-04-2020 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Why is that unconstitutional?


What’s your answer to your own question?
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04-04-2020 , 12:52 AM
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Or we could just use our knowledge of how it spreads and put away the idiotic irrelevant talk about instincts. But you want instincts to be seen as relevant and important. I do not wonder why.
Trouble is, 'people' do not know how it spreads or what to do about it. They have to trust other people to both know what to do and to do it.

And instinctively they do not trust these people. They don't trust their claims to knowledge and they don't trust their motivations or competence. nor do they trust those who tell them they should trust the experts and leaders.

That's why we live in a political world of feelings and instincts rather than some Masquian scientific society.
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04-04-2020 , 01:35 AM
So I have been getting a number of angry pms asking me when my I, Claudius quiz will be completed, and I can happily say that I have finally finished QC and it is ready for release. Give yourself one point for each question you can answer. highest score wins. You are all bound to your own sacred honor and must tell your true score and not look **** up on wikipedia.

Here we go:

Of the cast members of I, Claudius,


Name an actor or actress who would go on to be in a Star Wars movie. (there are TWO correct answers)

Name the actor or actress who would go on to be in Alien.

Name the actor or actress who would go on to be in Dune (there are TWO correct answers).

Name the actor or actress who would go on to be in Gladiator.

Name the actor or actress who would go on to be in TWO Kubrick movies.

Name an actor or actress who would go on to be knighted. (there are TWO correct answers)

Name the actor or actress who would go on to play TWO characters in Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies.

Name the actor or actress who would go on to play the role of Jean-Luc Picard in TV's Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Name the actor or actress who would go on to be in the 2011 adaptation of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
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04-04-2020 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
What’s your answer to your own question?
Sounds like you don't want to give an answer that shows you were wrong, and can't come up with a nonsense explanation that will fly. Thanks for playing.
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04-04-2020 , 09:47 AM
The constitution, government, and church. Yet you can't figure it out?
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04-04-2020 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Trouble is, 'people' do not know how it spreads or what to do about it. They have to trust other people to both know what to do and to do it.

And instinctively they do not trust these people. They don't trust their claims to knowledge and they don't trust their motivations or competence. nor do they trust those who tell them they should trust the experts and leaders.

That's why we live in a political world of feelings and instincts rather than some Masquian scientific society.
Masquian?
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04-04-2020 , 09:56 AM
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Sounds like you don't want to give an answer that shows you were wrong, and can't come up with a nonsense explanation that will fly. Thanks for playing.
Obviously there is a lot of debate about exactly how the first amendment drives the idea of "separation of church and state", but it seems pretty clear that government should not endorse a specific religion. I haven't seen the specifics of what stbw is talking about but there is certainly a strong argument that allowing a religious preach at a government news conference could be unconstitutional.
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04-04-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Sounds like you don't want to give an answer that shows you were wrong, and can't come up with a nonsense explanation that will fly. Thanks for playing.


It’s not a game. But you were playing. Go declare yourself a “winner”. Lol.
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04-06-2020 , 05:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQF...ature=youtu.be

Real interesting video about some facts with the Wuhan laboratory that when put together leads to a pretty clear picture of how the pandemic may have started.

Anyways, cliff notes are:

1. There is bat coronavirus research going on in Wuhan basically across the street from the market where the outbreak supposedly started. One of the main PIs of the laboratory has already published several papers studying coronavirus transfer from bats to humans. She is the first author of the paper below, published in Science.

Bats Are Natural Reservoirs of SARS-like Coronaviruses
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1619...424&from_pos=1

2. In Nov-Dec. of 2019 there are job openings to study coronavirus at this lab, stating that the group has made a big breakthrough in studying bat to human infection, and is hiring workers to study this.

3. Sometime in December 2019 one of the members of the laboratory disappears off the face of the Earth. Her name is Huang Yan Ling. All existence of her as working at the laboratory is also scrubbed from the Wuhan laboratory website. Her profile and bio is there in old cache versions, but just completely disappears from current versions. No other student, past or present, has had their profile scrubbed.

4. Fast forward to present day, the Chinese internet has put together all the above pieces and is looking for this person, but no one can find her. In response to online pressure, the CCP puts out an announcement that she is alive and well, but offers no proof.

5. The working theory is she is patient 0, got infected in the laboratory and passed away, the government did a cover up, and the virus escaped from there.
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04-06-2020 , 06:03 PM
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3. Sometime in December 2019 one of the members of the laboratory disappears off the face of the Earth. Her name is Huang Yan Ling. All existence of her as working at the laboratory is also scrubbed from the Wuhan laboratory website. Her profile and bio is there in old cache versions, but just completely disappears from current versions. No other student, past or present, has had their profile scrubbed.
She graduated in 2015, kel.
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04-06-2020 , 06:40 PM
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She graduated in 2015, kel.
She probably did graduate in 2015. What is your theory of what happened to her since 2015?

Guess what, after graduating a lot of people keep working in the same field, often in the same lab. In the video there is a picture dated 2018 of a group in the Wuhan lab she is identified in (presumably, as I obviously don't have the slightest clue what she looks like).

It could be bullshit.

But the author of the video says if it was bullshit, he would expect the first thing the CCP would do is hunt her down, drag her in front of a microphone (willing or not) and make her say it is bullshit. The fact they didn't do this, and instead just posted that nothing burger statement, is not a good look in the author's view.

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04-06-2020 , 07:06 PM
Lol the guy has a video about 5G cool I can't wait to subscribe!
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04-06-2020 , 07:30 PM
It seems a fairly level-headed video but it's also very obvious that he has very strong (quite possibly entirely reasonable) biases that makes his confidence in his claims stronger than the evidence really justifies. Without being able to read Chinese I can't look into things in too much detail but the one thing that I could find is that Huang Yanling was a named author on 5 papers in 2014/2015 and was not a named author on any since. It seems unlikely that if she had stayed on at the lab after graduating that she would not have been involved in any publications in the intervening time.

I do actually think there is a reasonable probability of the virus having leaked from the lab (to be clear, there is 0% chance it was developed in the lab, only that it may have been leaked accidentally), I just don't think that the evidence in that video is the smoking gun that he seems to think it is.

And I don't see any videos about 5G from him so not sure what you're looking at grando.
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04-06-2020 , 07:34 PM
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It seems a fairly level-headed video but it's also very obvious that he has very strong (quite possibly entirely reasonable) biases that makes his confidence in his claims stronger than the evidence really justifies. Without being able to read Chinese I can't look into things in too much detail but the one thing that I could find is that Huang Yanling was a named author on 5 papers in 2014/2015 and was not a named author on any since. It seems unlikely that if she had stayed on at the lab after graduating that she would not have been involved in any publications in the intervening time.

I do actually think there is a reasonable probability of the virus having leaked from the lab (to be clear, there is 0% chance it was developed in the lab, only that it may have been leaked accidentally), I just don't think that the evidence in that video is the smoking gun that he seems to think it is.

And I don't see any videos about 5G from him so not sure what you're looking at grando.
I actually thought of that. But the lady running the lab, Li, which no one disputes, hasn’t published since 2008, so clearly that lab has decided not to publish what they have been working on the last 10+ years (which happens, especially for sensitive govt stuff even in the US).
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04-06-2020 , 07:37 PM
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I actually thought of that. But the lady running the lab, Li, which no one disputes, hasn’t published since 2008, so clearly that lab has decided not to publish what they have been working on the last 10+ years (which happens, especially for sensitive govt stuff even in the US).
Huang Yanling's tutor for her graduate degree, Hongping Wei, was a co-author on all 5 of her papers, still works at the Wuhan Institute Of Virology, and has 122 publications including one as recently as last month.
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04-06-2020 , 07:38 PM
The fact the government felt enough heat to respond, but couldn’t do the easiest thing for an authoritarian government to do, (track her down and make her give a statement) or show my other proof she wasn’t working in Wuhan up til 2019, is very curious.
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04-06-2020 , 07:41 PM
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Huang Yanling's tutor for her graduate degree, Hongping Wei, was a co-author on all 5 of her papers, still works at the Wuhan Institute Of Virology, and has 122 publications including one as recently as last month.
That is her graduate school lab researching a completely different topic. Presumably she has been working in The Li lab on coranavirus research since then, which has published nothing. No one is even disputing there is a Li lab studying coronaviruses in Wuhan that has published nothing in 10+ years. They even had job openings as of Dec 2019 presumably. (I can’t read Chinese so obviously I can’t personally verify this)
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04-06-2020 , 07:41 PM
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The fact the government felt enough heat to respond, but couldn’t do the easiest thing for an authoritarian government to do, (track her down and make her give a statement) or show my other proof she wasn’t Peking in Wuhan up til 2019, is very curious.
That's pretty much the one thing that I do think is a reasonable piece of evidence fwiw.
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04-06-2020 , 08:13 PM
Yeah I ****ed up - I was referring to his 21 million cellphones disappearing in China video

Do people actually watch videos where the person just sits and talks for a half an hour?
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