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06-03-2019 , 01:12 AM
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I was watching this documentary and it seemed innocent enough, but then I noticed the "RT is funded in whole or in party by the Russian government." and I couldn't help but notice that it actually showed these people in a very negative light where they are talking about the impact it has on the families.

Was YT brainwashing me into seeking out the negativity in the video, or is the Russian government trying to subtly brain wash their people into seeing the negativity in the world around them. Really ruined my ability to enjoy it on an entertainment level
Yeah, RT is Russian state propaganda. Take it for what it is.
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06-03-2019 , 09:02 AM
A venture capitalist on breaking up the big tech companies

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There have been many calls to break up the large Internet monopolies; Amazon, Google, Facebook, Apple, etc.

Breaking up a large monopoly feels like a very 19th/20th century move to me.

I would prefer that politicians and policy makers think about opening up as the better intervention.

A good way to explain this is to go back to the architecture that Twitter used in its early days when there were many third-party Twitter clients. Imagine if Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc were protocols, not applications, and there were many high-quality clients to participate in these networks.

Then the clients could innovate on things like content filtering, promotion of high quality content, business model, etc

If we are going to “break up” these large social media platforms, I would urge elected officials and regulators to think about pushing them to move from platforms to protocols instead of just ripping them apart.
I'm not sure that we ought to be doing anything as a matter of policy here, but I like this idea quite a bit.
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06-03-2019 , 09:29 AM
I find it interesting that AOC made a statement that politicians should not be allowed to be lobbyists after, and I don't see a lot of buzz around this from either the left or right wing media on this.

But I am sure the next time she says something incendiary on a culture war issue, it is going to make a lot of noise in predictable fashion. If one were inclined to look for conspiracies, one might think we have one here; where we love to spend so much time talking about culture war issues that divide the proletariat classes, and not a lot of time talking about common causes.
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06-03-2019 , 12:19 PM
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If one were inclined to look for conspiracies, one might think we have one here; where we love to spend so much time talking about culture war issues that divide the proletariat classes, and not a lot of time talking about common causes.
Can't be a conspiracy if it occurs in the open in plain sight.
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06-03-2019 , 12:34 PM
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A venture capitalist on breaking up the big tech companies



I'm not sure that we ought to be doing anything as a matter of policy here, but I like this idea quite a bit.
Certainly seems like a better option relative to breaking up the companies. I can’t really understand how you would break up Facebook, practically speaking. Would you just create separate, competing Facebooks?
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06-03-2019 , 12:56 PM
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I find it interesting that AOC made a statement that politicians should not be allowed to be lobbyists after, and I don't see a lot of buzz around this from either the left or right wing media on this.

But I am sure the next time she says something incendiary on a culture war issue, it is going to make a lot of noise in predictable fashion. If one were inclined to look for conspiracies, one might think we have one here; where we love to spend so much time talking about culture war issues that divide the proletariat classes, and not a lot of time talking about common causes.
I'd expect that AOC's proposal would be popular, if polled. I'd be fine with it. I doubt it would accomplish anything earth-shattering though, and if it gets little attention I'd guess that's partly why.

I think to some large extent we love culture war issues just because they seem deeply significant in relation to issues of identity and worldview that are otherwise largely taken for granted until challenged. I don't think it requires a conspiracy to get people to be interested in a lot of those topics, including people in media.

But it does seem to be true that there's an increasing focus on those issues recently. But then, given that Trump's campaign and success highlighted so many related topics, this also seems like something driven more spontaneously rather than being the result of conscious motivation.
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06-03-2019 , 01:41 PM
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I'd expect that AOC's proposal would be popular, if polled. I'd be fine with it. I doubt it would accomplish anything earth-shattering though, and if it gets little attention I'd guess that's partly why.

I think to some large extent we love culture war issues just because they seem deeply significant in relation to issues of identity and worldview that are otherwise largely taken for granted until challenged. I don't think it requires a conspiracy to get people to be interested in a lot of those topics, including people in media.

But it does seem to be true that there's an increasing focus on those issues recently. But then, given that Trump's campaign and success highlighted so many related topics, this also seems like something driven more spontaneously rather than being the result of conscious motivation.
I agree with you, but would also add there is an argument culture war issues trigger hardware in the human psyche that probably is not as adaptive as it once was.
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06-03-2019 , 02:14 PM
You guys are both wrong/crazy to discount the role the media has in shaping debate and informing us of what issues are "important" and what issues (like permanent war) are not important. To not think that this is done willfully by pushing social issues means that I have a lot of work to do.

To talk about social construction on one hand and then to think that everything surrounding the information we receive is purely organic I don't understand.
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06-03-2019 , 02:22 PM
por que no los dos
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06-03-2019 , 02:31 PM
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por que no los dos
Puede ser. And I agree completely that Trump has heightened those issues. I think that is a part of the purpose of Trump--to reinstall a belief in the two-party system that was in jeopardy during the 2016 election. Had it been Jeb vs HRC everyone would know the Republicans and Democrats are hopeless "corproratists" but Trump came along with his nascent white-nationalism and shook everything up.
So as far as Trump era identity politics goes then he deserves the credit. But we shouldn't at all pretend like the media hasn't been mostly vacuous war-mongers our entire lifetimes.
And to think the because the NYT is now "woke" like that article you posted now suggests--like that means progress is being made--seems like quite wishful thinking.
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06-03-2019 , 02:33 PM
I don't think the person who compiled those NYT stats thinks that it represents progress, to be clear, and I wasn't citing it by way of arguing for "progress" either. I'm ambivalent about that. I linked it because it does seem to provide some support for the thesis that increased interest in these topics is driven by media.
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06-03-2019 , 03:53 PM
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I don't think the person who compiled those NYT stats thinks that it represents progress, to be clear, and I wasn't citing it by way of arguing for "progress" either. I'm ambivalent about that. I linked it because it does seem to provide some support for the thesis that increased interest in these topics is driven by media.
Yeah I think as far as social justice stuff specifically I would agree.
I think as far as social issues in general--the approach has always been to give them a bigger prominence than issues surrounding foriegn policy. Take abortion for example and the role that it has played in divving up the left and right over the last 30 years.
I'd argue the social stuff is needed in order to differentiate the parties that are more or less the same when it comes to issues of trade, war, and immigration (i.e. foriegn policy). So social issues get played up in order to more or less fool people into thinking that they are making a choice when they go to the polls.
To the extent that the media is now simply bigger and that news consists of more than just three networks, perhaps the social justice movement is the inevitable result of the emphasis that the media has given to social issues--since you couldn't fill all of the additional airtime with abortion coverage you need to expand it to other things like who is peeing where, transgender story time controversy, stuff about wrestlers, etc etc. Anything to divide people and take the focus away from actual atrocities. And whether it is the dividing people or the value of distraction that is most important; I do not know.

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06-04-2019 , 03:33 AM
I like to call those issues "low impact, high drag". Anything the general public can latch onto while some other **** is going on. The Charlotte bathroom incident conveniently took over the nation while some shady stuff was going on... Saudi weapon deal, maybe? No one seemed to care, whatever it was. There are ~650,000 abortions a year, so you are talking about half a percent of the population (generously rounding up) being directly affected. But, it goes back to Womens rights, equality, and general freedoms. Its obviously going to be a hotbed of opinion as it can be a very emotionally charged subject. Still, anytime a touchy subject sweeps the nation I start to wonder what might actually be going on.

Its probably just a lack of empathy
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06-04-2019 , 03:17 PM
Ok well I would just like to say that if there are going to be rules and guideliness changes, then the sticky should be colorful and in All-caps bc I did not, in fact, read it first before posting.

/Contrarian its your fault, not mine
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06-04-2019 , 03:20 PM
I wouldn't be opposed to one of those 1997 style horizontally-scrolling marquees in a rainbow color. That would be sweet :P
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06-04-2019 , 03:33 PM
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06-04-2019 , 05:20 PM
Is it possible to still read the old threads from the ex-forum? Somebody help me computer
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06-04-2019 , 05:20 PM
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/41/politics/

Search function still works, I believe. It's difficult to quote posts, however.
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06-04-2019 , 05:24 PM
Ty kindly
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06-04-2019 , 10:36 PM
Duverger's Law, the political theory that combination of First Past the Post and single member districts create two party systems, only seems to hold up in the US and seems to be a product of the US legal system than some iron clad political theory

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The idea that parties or voters are behaving in the same ways across them is deeply unlikely. The factors leading to perfect two party politics in the USA cannot be general to all plurality rule systems – they must instead be specific to the American political context. Incidentally perfect two-party systems like this are now found almost nowhere outside the USA, except for a few small Caribbean nations. In particular, all the major Westminster system countries have shown strong trends towards multi-partism.*
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...s-law-is-dead/
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06-06-2019 , 09:13 AM
I like that blog post because it supports my preconceived biases
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06-06-2019 , 10:02 AM
I can't look at the forum on my phone without it being overtaken by oppressive ads
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06-06-2019 , 10:14 AM
There's an atf thread for complaints about ads. It seems there's been a lot of problems lately.

I use Tapatalk Pro and don't get any
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06-06-2019 , 12:58 PM
So the census thing is a good win win situation for Republicans. If they get the census question in then it'll reduce responses from minorities relatively increasing white and therefore Republican power, and it sets up the next move

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06-06-2019 , 03:40 PM
Left wing political correctness is out of control!

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Edie Pasek, who organizes story hour events in and around Milwaukee, said her readings had been “protested like the dickens,” especially in smaller cities like Oak Creek, Wis., and Zion, Ill. But she said she and the performers tried to stay focused on the point of Drag Queen Story Hour.

“We want to teach the kids acceptance, not bullying, learning to make good choices, how to be nice to other people,” she said. “I have a 6-year-old daughter and whatever I think we need to teach her is what we bring to story hour.”
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The backlash entered the halls of the Ohio State House last week when Speaker Larry Householder condemned drag queen story time in a letter to the Ohio Library Council. He called the events “a stunningly bizarre breach of the public trust.”

His letter says he respects the First Amendment, and adds “I can also assure you the taxpayers aren’t interested in seeing their hard-earned dollars being used to teach teenage boys how to become drag queens.”

Soon afterward, two libraries in central Ohio canceled drag events after receiving what the library council said were “hostile threats.”
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Ms. Bean said the event left the library after that and was hosted for a few months at an expensive private venue, whose owners were flooded with negative online reviews and angry emails and phone calls from critics who said the event was organized by “perverts” with sinister motives.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/u...tory-hour.html
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