I call bullshit on the weather channel being reliable.

This site gave my phone superaids

Good.

"Every persecuted individual and race should get much consolation out of the great human law, which is universal and eternal, that merit, no matter under what skin found, is, in the long run, recognized and rewarded."

Who said that?

That you disagree just shows how far left you are.

Which news outlets' editorial boards opposed the war in Afghanistan?

Not sure, Meredith, but are you actually saying that not opposing invading Afghanistan to get Al Qaeda in October 2001 makes them not left?

You're the one who said they were anti-interventionist as proof of them being left, not me. Pacifism is a pretty bog-standard policy of the far left. As I recall, basically all news outlets were in favor of both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and they pushed the lies of the Bush administration like they were facts..

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Joe Biden next week...

As John Lewis's body arrives in Selma, an Alabama state representative celebrates a slightly different figure nearby

So I guess your view is that leftwing people are wrong because they trust media sources they don't think are leftwing? but shouldn't this rather be regarded as a positive thing, that they don't equate trustworthiness with ideological agreement?

FWIW, I think the mainstream opinion media are more left than right (on the typical US left/right scale rather than your idiosyncratic one), so I'll dispute your premise probably anyway.

Here is a list of top five daily newspapers by circulation:

USA Today
WSJ
NYT
NY Post
LAT

I code WSJ and NYP as right of center, NYT & LAT as left of center and don't really know about USA Today. I guess stop ignoring the right of center newspapers? Or do you disagree with my political coding?

In 2019, Fox News had almost as many viewers as MSNBC and CNN combined.

Mainstream media has major elements on both the left and the right. Fine to argue about which is greater or more dominant, but inaccurate to portray it as a monolith.

Pretty easy to conclude mainstream media is leftist when you redefine "mainstream media" to mean "media that is left of my personal views".

Not directed at any individual poster, just an observation on how those on the right tend to use that term.

It's not even based on anything that systematic. NYT has MAGA Haberman and Bedbug Stephens on its payroll putting out right wing derp on the regular, and that somehow never factors into the calculation of whether or not NYT is left of center.

I missed WSJ, so yes, def right of center. Re NYP, I think of that as fringe, didn't realize it was high circulation. As major newspapers go, I am only aware of two on the right, NYP and Wash Times.

I actually do like WSJ, but consider NYP and Fox News mostly too sensationalist, though with some quality content as well.

I guess it's WSJ and Fox News (and NYPost?) v all the others. Not a monolith, but not balance by any means.

But again, this frames it as us against the world. That is still misleading as it assumes a unified opposition against your position. For instance, The Economist is an influential weekly newspaper that is opposed to Trump, but still fairly centrist. Sure, three rightwing and twenty leftwing news sources wouldn't be balanced. But three rightwing, three centrist, three progressive, three liberal, three libertarian, three socialist, etc. is a different kind of balance, even though it might seem to each group to be unfair.

Yah, I think we getting some common ground now. We could add National Review against The Atlantic and New Yorker and several others. Maybe add Reason as right of center. Agreed the Economist is centrist or even right of center on financial issues, though certainly left of center when they mention social issues (not their focus).

You can also add local news to the mix. I live in Seattle and formerly in big cities in California, so my experience of local coverage is and was left leaning as well.

I have often been curious if local news (or local papers) for big cities in red states are right leaning. Birmingham? Atlanta? Dallas? I doubt it, but I dunno. Maybe just not so severely left leaning.

Here's how I actually see your concept "three rightwing, three centrist [not really, they just are center left], three [twenty] progressive, three [fifty] liberal, three [one] libertarian, three [five] socialist." Obv those are guestimates on numbers.

And to be honest, I may be seeing it a little bit worse than it is when looking strictly at the "media," because I take academia (social science at least) and public schooling into the mix as well. Those are even more left on average than media, in my view.

Fake News CNN may have to fire Brian Skelter for retweeting fake news about Nick Sandmann's generous settlement and calling it "nuisance money and nothing more". CNN's Fake News Analyst may have put herself up for the chop also with her baseless speculation:
Let's hope they have enough tucked away to not have to worry about eviction next month.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-br...holas-sandmann

If we are just counting number of publications, I couldn't tell you which has more, but I can think of twenty rightwing publications off the top of my head. I just don't see how this should be a serious concern. If you are interested in conservative commentary, there is so much easily available.

As for common ground, I agree with you that American mainstream media in toto tends to be more favorable to Democrats than Republicans. I don't like the NYT mindreading style of reporting on the Trump administration. Its reporting on Japan and religion (where I have enough background knowledge to check) is regularly abysmal. In general, WaPo international reporting is much better than the NYT in my experience, but foreign papers tend to be better yet.

Most relevantly, local news doesn't matter nearly as much as it used to, but I don't know the answer either.

Are you just not aware of conservative media? Talk radio is dominated by the right. Magazines and websites are mostly a draw AFAICT. Cable news is basically a draw. Newspapers are more to the left, but two of the top five is pretty good. I don't know, I haven't watched anything political on regular news in forever, but I'll grant that it is probably somewhat to the left as well.

Again, I think major media sources are more on the left than the right, but your sense of scale is completely off here.

But this just ends up cherry-picking the cultural institutions that are opposed to you. Yes, some academic disciplines unfairly discriminate against rightwing people in hiring decisions and they shouldn't. But so do major religious denominations against leftwing people in their hiring decisions. If you are trying to make a broader cultural point rather than just one about the media, you can't just pick the favorable examples.

Speaking of CNN, my dad is boycotting it now and getting his news straight from Youtube. He now firmly believes Big Pharma is suppressing hydroxychloroquine and that COVID was made in a lab. Bill Gates is also involved somehow? I didn't want to get into it.

It's like the more he clicks the more his feed is filled with nonsense and he just falls further and further into the rabbit hole.

When he's not looking, clear his cookies.

When people go down rabbit holes, it's because they are running in the opposite direction from something which is self-evidently fake news.

Hopefully he's not into David Icke. I joined one of his Facebook groups a while back just for laughs and it wasn't funny at all.

To be fair, I should say that NYT reporting on New York state politics is generally excellent, although I haven't followed it closely for the last five years or so.