You should be allowed to tow that van, if you happen to be capable of doing so. Killing the driver would make it more difficult to solve the problem.

we give everyone negative rights: protection from persecution and harassment. you can be a part of a tiny minority most people hate (like Jehovah witnesses) we don't send armed people to your home to beat you to death, even if many people would gladly pay for that. that's your rights.

if You aren't a communist you don't give positive rights to anyone though. no one ever has a right to use other people resources himself.

Nah, I'm one of the few members of the human race who is not contributing to future suffering of other humans.

However, I do get very stressed when I'm stuck in traffic for more than a few minutes. When I was younger it gave me panic attacks. I don't think this is that unusual, and is another reason those who deliberately block traffic are so horribly insensitive.

if you are responsible for the bodies you can use them as manure and/or harvest organs, a market would develop

No, you can just move his car. Do you really not understand the difference between these two things? Since you seem like an intelligent person, and even a lawyer (IIRC), so I'm sure you do. These theoreticals are just silly.

rococo is NECESSARILY very intelligent, the way he writes.

one of the most intelligent people around here besides me

Rococo is clearly a very bloodthirsty man who doesn't suffer fools gladly. Not that any of you should be worried or anything, just a random observation.

Yep, Rococo, you, chez, Brian James and Sklansky are my top 5. Luckbox narrowly missed out.

Actually I just want to get where I'm going in order to gamble, hear some rock and roll, or take a piss or a dump. It's really unhealthy to hold that in too long.

Except I have kids and I own an old-fashioned Weber.

chillrob, I was responding to you liking sublime's post where he said he would hit people with his car. If you don't actually have the same enthusiasm for vehicular vigilantism that Luciom does, then my comments don't really apply to you.

I can't tell whether you are being sincere or you are insulting me for being a dumb person who tries to appear smart. Fine either way.

This comment from d2, on the other hand, can only be an insult.

I do t know why I think this is funny but I have an old fashion Weber too. My buddy's brother in law was a chef at the Ritz Carton in Houston and he would make us steaks on it.

I always thought that if it was good enough for him...so I never bought a gas grill.

No one said intelligence and being nutso are mutually exclusive.

I have never owned a gas grill. Charcoal is the only way I roll unless I happen to be in an AirBnB that only has a gas grill.

Ambiguity is for the weak.

I just think blocking streets for protests should be illegal and stopped as quickly as possibly. Of course it's preferable to do so without harming anyone, but if someone is foolish enough not to get out of the way when he is about to be run over, I have no problem with harm coming to him. I did view the video of the police car plowing through the illegal roadblock with enthusiasm, as did nearly everyone who commented on it.

can you walk me through why you think it would be bad/terrible if, when a bunch of communists block an highway to protest because not enough is done for climate change according to them, people just run over them.

do you think those people risking maiming/death is bad enough to prefer innocent people suffering hours? why? do you think medium -long term consequences of allowing running over them would be bad? why?

stick to highways, or any other place which is motor-vehicle exclusive please.

because this kind of topic is one where I find basically 100% agreement when I talk to people even on the center right in real life, akin to "illegals should all be deported when found as illegal". it's not something where there is division and nuance among right-wing people

Imagine if we applied the same logic here- the pain and suffering of running him over with a car is de minimus compared to the low level aggravation and pain and suffering continuously caused to the innocent masses of readers.

What should we do?

The main reason is because you are unnecessarily killing people when there are other ways to deal with the problem. Also, as an aside, if we are talking about the U.S., very few of those people actually support communism. I get that you want to label them as communists because that makes them subhuman in your eyes and therefore OK to run over with cars, but there are very, very few communists in the United States.

Also, you can pretend like plowing through a line of protesters actually allows traffic to flow, but in the real world, that isn't the case. In the real world, the area immediately becomes the scene of an extensive police investigation and the road remains blocked for a very long time.

They are illegal.

I don't know that I have ever been impeded by a protest while driving, but based on my poor history of keeping an even keel when stuck in traffic, I'm sure that I would be highly annoyed if it happened.

But there are a lot of things that annoy me. It annoys me when graffiti artists tag the exterior of my apartment building, but I don't think I should be allowed to stop them by hitting them in the arm with a tire iron. It annoys me when some drunk pisses in a public park, but I don't think that I should be allowed to kick the drunk pisser in the nuts as hard as I can. It annoys me when someone who smells terrible gets in my subway car, but I don't believe that I should allowed to drag the person out of the car by his hair at the next stop. If I lived in the suburbs, it would annoy me if someone allowed their dog to **** in my yard, but I don't think I should be allowed to choke the person out with the dog leash.

Sklansky realized that, to make this a close call, he needed to create a hypothetical where it was indisputably necessary for a civilian to run people over in order to save someone else's life.

Luciom is a million miles past that point. His basic position is, if someone is deliberately blocking his path on a roadway, he should be allowed (and perhaps encouraged by the state) to run that person over. He essentially subscribes to the view of the character in Beyond the Horizon by Robert Heinlein who says that "an armed society is a polite society" if the armed people are allowed to shoot people for a wide range of transgressions. There is very little empirical evidence that armed societies in fact are polite societies.

My position is what you stated on roads exclusively meant for motor-vehicles only yes.

If you save lives by running over you are already allowed to do that in many countries/localities where emergency basic exception to crimes exist (but you have to prove that in court ofc).

Btw you keep thinking that running over = death while they would just move and/or be minimally damaged, if for example you stop, check what it is, go down from the car, realize it's insane protestors, go back and start moving toward them, who's gonna die? They can move very easily.

Or you go over their chest/leg at like 20 km/h or whatever, far from being automatically lethal.

Allowing that isn't some super libertarian ultra fringe position, just a normal not-leftist position.

In the list you mentioned btw I am pretty sure you are legally allowed to fight against people making a graffiti to have them stop. Again if you run toward them armed, they can ****ING MOVE AWAY and stop destroying property.

The mayor of Florence run toward them (radical communist environmentalist defacing an historical crucial building of Florence with paint) to tackle them ffs, and he is center left, and basically the totality of the Italian population agreed it was very moral for him to do so, if anything we would have loved for the people to be beaten to a bloody pulp

I am not sure though what's your problem with pissing on public grass.

And I will never understand how in the USA private home gardens aren't fenced lol, don't think I ever saw an accessible private home garden in an urban setting in Italy. That's like begging to be robbed.

Man we have several episodes of highways blocked by communist environmental protestors and in some of them at some point people start running them over, and puff they just move.

I just want a law to give full civil and criminal immunity when you do so because some might have a broken arm or whatever, and one or two could die over a lot of such episodes at some point.

I am not talking hypotheticals, the commies are blocking roads in Italy in the last 2 years