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Originally Posted by Rococo
They are illegal.
I don't know that I have ever been impeded by a protest while driving, but based on my poor history of keeping an even keel when stuck in traffic, I'm sure that I would be highly annoyed if it happened.
But there are a lot of things that annoy me. It annoys me when graffiti artists tag the exterior of my apartment building, but I don't think I should be allowed to stop them by hitting them in the arm with a tire iron. It annoys me when some drunk pisses in a public park, but I don't think that I should be allowed to kick the drunk pisser in the nuts as hard as I can. It annoys me when someone who smells terrible gets in my subway car, but I don't believe that I should allowed to drag the person out of the car by his hair at the next stop. If I lived in the suburbs, it would annoy me if someone allowed their dog to **** in my yard, but I don't think I should be allowed to choke the person out with the dog leash.
Sklansky realized that, to make this a close call, he needed to create a hypothetical where it was indisputably necessary for a civilian to run people over in order to save someone else's life.
Luciom is a million miles past that point. His basic position is, if someone is deliberately blocking his path on a roadway, he should be allowed (and perhaps encouraged by the state) to run that person over. He essentially subscribes to the view of the character in Beyond the Horizon by Robert Heinlein who says that "an armed society is a polite society" if the armed people are allowed to shoot people for wide range of transgressions. There is very little empirical evidence that armed societies in fact are polite societies.
My position is what you stated on roads exclusively meant for motor-vehicles only yes.
If you save lives by running over you are already allowed to do that in many countries/localities where emergency basic exception to crimes exist (but you have to prove that in court ofc).
Btw you keep thinking that running over = death while they would just move and/or be minimally damaged, if for example you stop, check what it is, go down from the car, realize it's insane protestors, go back and start moving toward them, who's gonna die? They can move very easily.
Or you go over their chest/leg at like 20 km/h or whatever, far from being automatically lethal.
Allowing that isn't some super libertarian ultra fringe position, just a normal not-leftist position.
In the list you mentioned btw I am pretty sure you are legally allowed to fight against people making a graffiti to have them stop. Again if you run toward them armed, they can ****ING MOVE AWAY and stop destroying property.
The mayor of Florence run toward them (radical communist environmentalist defacing an historical crucial building of Florence with paint) to tackle them ffs, and he is center left, and basically the totality of the Italian population agreed it was very moral for him to do so, if anything we would have loved for the people to be beaten to a bloody pulp