In fact, from seeing the book reviews, I don't believe you 100%. Imagine thinking that limping with kk is +EV in a 1/2 game. Lolums.

If, for a car crash, I'm inconvenienced in the slightest during a joyride across town, I'll often say, "Somebody better be dead."

And yeah, I know, "I get priced in by the raisers behind" - D. Sklansky.

Does the "D" stand for "degenerate" by any chance?

David is pro John brown

Jesus Christ wrong thread. 1/2 is a terrible game. It doesn’t matter if someone can beat it or not

Plow through? I have a lot of doubt, aside from the possibility of a rogue lunatic like the one in Charlottesville.

That's a very, very sad thought.

As is this. Hopefully there aren't a lot of people who have lost all sense of perspective like you seem to have.

That's probably true. But that doesn't mean someone should "plow through" them, nor should such an action bring a lot of pleasure to anyone, and protests shouldn't make people want Israel to blow up Gaza even more.

Hopefully this is just some weird hyperbole that is very typical of social media, and not something you actually mean.

I think there should be official government vehicles to push these guys out of the way and laws specifying that anyone who deliberately blocks public roads has given up all rights, including the right to be taken to a hospital.

A trolley problem where one of the people tied himself to the track because he wanted the people on the other track to die.

In case it was unclear, Nat Turner did murder the children of slaveholders and was obviously wrong to do that. in spite of being right to kill their parents. (Israelis who claim that it's OK to kill children because they are being used as shields by people who deserve to die, because they also kill children, are wrong to claim that. They are supposed to reluctantly let the shields work in the short run. None of this should be hard.)

This is awesome! Every single comment (at least in the first few pages) is mocking the protestors and saying they got what they deserved.

The first part of what you wrote is actually a great idea. The vehicle should have padding all around it and no space to allow someone to slide under it.

loool

No they wouldn't.

Bolded is why I said it was a more elaborate version of the trolley problem.

I agree. Like a large hovercraft

Ambulance driver is a better hypothetical than driving your own mother. People aren't going to offer the Spock-like answer that you are looking for if the driver is acting to materially increase the odds of survival for himself or a close family member. (As an aside, if Spock-like answers were what you were looking for, I'm surprised you didn't include information about the age and general health of the mother as compared to the protesters. This is the point that Luckbox was making.)

I also don't think statistical illiteracy is the problem. A fourth grader would understand the basic math in your original hypothetical. It is a thought experiment, however, because in the real world, you will never be able to calibrate the percentages (or the extent of the injuries you cause) as finely as your original proposal implied. In most real world examples, you will be doing little more than guessing as to the ultimate consequences of your actions.

I think that it is relatively obvious that things like availability of alternative forms of protest, justness of the cause, etc., should affect the answer to the question. That's easy to see if you take an extreme case. For example, suppose that 30,000 Proud Boys surround NYU Hospital for the purpose of preventing entry or egress into the hospital. They state that they will not leave until the 19th Amendment (which provided for women's suffrage) is repealed. In that case, the cause is ridiculous, the harm is significant, and there is no particular connection between the form of the protest and the cause. I'm sure that most people would agree that force should be used if necessary to access the hospital in that absurd hypothetical.

As usual, Luciom is coming in with juvenile, one-size-fits-all, solutions to nuanced questions. According to the logic of the bolded, I should get a reward from the state if I intentionally run over teenagers who are throwing a ball back and forth in a lightly travelled public alley.

Luciom,

As you surely are aware, strikes by public railway workers has been a relatively common occurrence in Italy over the decades. Such strikes obviously are a form of protest, obviously impact travel, and potentially could have serious consequences for people who rely on the trains.

Should Italy have a law that rewards citizens for acting violently against public railways workers who are on strike?

Getting rid of protests is the most fascist **** ever

Uh, okay

lol, you're asking a fascist if he wants the trains to run on time?

hes like the most extreme fascist and has been all over the forum advocating for mass murder if anyone who disagrees with him. I think we all know where he is gonna fall on this one.

Stopping traffic is illegal and whether some protest “is a good cause” is a more interesting topic than this thread

you know they need approval from the state, and have to guarantee basic services anyway right? ie it's not a violence over public property, rather a right which is legislated ?

we are talking blocking traffic in highways where people can't walk to begin with