In the context of this thread and what was being discussed, it is not.

This guy seemed pretty upset:

you’re right! my apologies

The answer to every single question that boils down to "Why are Asian-Americans better at ______" is because parenting.

Asian parents do not **** around. This does not always translate to non-American households, though. If you've ever been to Vegas or some touristy location when the Chinese tour bus rolls in, you should vacate the premises immediately. Raptor Jesus help you if you're in line at a buffet when they arrive, because you're about to lose an arm.

Questions such as the one in the OP are difficult to discuss in large part because of the dubious history of "scientific" racism. The Jared Taylors of the world are happy to frame their opinions as dispassionate investigations of why [X] group is so ________.

I mostly agree with spaceman bryce. Regardless of the original poster's motivation for posing this question (and I have no reason to believe it was anything other than benign), his theory seems implausible. Diet and activity level seem overwhelmingly likely to be the primary drivers of obesity in the United States.

The human brain is an evolved organ that creates a bias towards actions that lead to survival.

Evolutionary scientists largely agree that we have been anatomically modern for about 50'ish thousand years; our biology is basically the same, now, as it was when we had to hunt game and forage for plants to survive. This includes our brain. Under those conditions, the brain is probably property calibrated for its food acquisition objectives but change all the conditions- you no longer have to burn 1900 calories to get 2300 calories, but rather you can eat 2900 calories sitting on the sofa without thinking about it, there is no built-in evolutionary mechanism to compensate for that.

Same goes for porn, drugs or anything else that hijacks our natural reward systems tied to our most basic urges and hyper-stimulates them artificially.

Not to defend any particular position, but you literally cannot formally study certain things in the west, because of 'research ethics' .

To put it another way, intellectually honest academics in Islamic countries face similar pressures when studying Israel and arriving at any conclusions that are other than what's expected of them from those who fund them, just like it is here on other issues. The 70's/80's was probably the last stand of true academic freedom in this country where questions like that even dared to be asked. These days, someone's an (x)ist for even asking if we should ask the question. The academy lacks credibility here.

I think we are aligned.

The only caveat I have is that some scientific research into having more customized treatments and diagnostic criteria are allegedly being stymied by fear of being accused of “scientific racism.” This is in the context of discussions surrounding how much of western medicine is built around white males as the baseline.

On the definition of obesity alone, there is some evidence different race/ethnicity specific BMI definitions may be warranted (definitely lower for Asians, and possibly higher for blacks, relative to for whites).

Nonetheless, I don’t think OP’s question, at least as posed, is likely to meet criterion of potentially creating better treatments/diagnostics and that’s why I generally agree with sb.

And because they are not brown or black and are being accepted as white.


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Whole lotta brown and some really dark Asian people out there, like billions.

This seems... not true?

Do not engage PointlessWords. It's, well, pointless.

On what ****ing planet is this true?

It's what you must say when you have to explain away the fact that Asians as a minority are generally crushing it in the country where minorities are always being kept down by Whitey.

"Well, they're basically white."

But stop! You're falling into his trap!

If black Americans are inclined to be even fatter than white Americans, it is probably because they are on average less well off, and the US class system is heavily enforced, not only in terms of what health cover you can afford but what food you can afford. Decent food is made expensive and 'boutique' whereas the lowest-common-denominator highly-processed output of US agribusiness, impregnated with high-fructose corn syrup and God knows what else, is offered cheap and consumed by 'them over there' (on the other side of the tracks) rather than 'us over here'.

They're not white, but, critically, they're not black, are not descended from former slaves and are not the group that the US, as a plantation society, was originally formed to 'keep down'. Which makes all the difference.

Google the caste system in India, it might just blow your mind.

... and they typically value education and discipline very highly, which tends to lead to positive outcomes for future generations.


You accidentally forgot that part, 57 On Red.

Even this is a trap.

The strongest predictor of intergenerational socio-economic mobility of new immigrants is the educational level of first generation immigrants' socio-economic class.

The "model minority" myth has its origins in the Cold War era when American immigration policy explicitly favored highly educated workers and economic conditions in the source countries were such that those who could study abroad tended to be from relatively well off backgrounds.

You adjust for that, and Asian immigrants do barely better than Hispanic immigrants and there is evidence that Hispanic cohorts suffer from "ethnic attrition" where the more successful Hispanic immigrants stop identifying themselves as Hispanic 3rd, sometimes even 2nd, generation in.

This "model minority" stereotype is a trap that holds Asian Americans to dumb standards and some stereotypes that contribute to the bamboo ceiling.

there def are not billions of dark asian americans. thanks but no


mmm they were slaves in california for many many many years.

Historically, Asian Americans have been positioned as a “racial middle” group in relation to white and Black Americans. In line with this perceived position, Asian-white multiracial people have also been characterized as being more white than Black-white multiracials, as well as “leaning white” in terms of self-identification, according to Chong.

“We have started to see more varied images of Asian Americans in the popular media, some moving beyond, and challenging, the ‘model minority’ image — Awkwafina comes to mind,” Chong said. “However, I feel that the model minority stereotype is persistent and hard to break. If it changes, it will not happen quickly.”

https://news.ku.edu/2022/03/28/model...duals-research

Quite right. There are only millions of dark skinned people in the US with ethnic backgrounds in Asia and they’re all basically white anyway. Solid observation.

Asians have been trying to make themselves white adjacent for many years. They are colorist and strive to keep their culture within itself. They want to be white so bad they made their own racist movement called Asian lives matter. As if anyone ever thought otherwise

Don't you think that a part of being anti-racist is not making sweeping generalizations about large swaths of humanity?

Sorry, white asian Americans.


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