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When you made the Cambodian genocide comparison I naturally compared Cambodia's decision to not teach the genocide in schools to the movement in America that supports the removal of historical southern names, statues, etc.

I would never argue that shameful parts of human history should be scrubbed from the history books or not taught to students. I don't know how you made that leap.

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04-17-2023 , 09:59 PM

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Well, it's good to see that this conversation has resulted in you learning that not teaching about a dark part of your country's history is not even remotely the same thing as removing some statues and building names celebrating people.

Oh, wait...

Obviously this.

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04-20-2023 , 04:09 PM

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I don't see a problem with it as long as they are artifacts and are valued for their historical significance.

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04-20-2023 , 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockyfour

I don't see a problem with it as long as they are artifacts and are valued for their historical significance.

This should be obvious to people. Surprised this is even a thread

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04-20-2023 , 07:40 PM

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Surprised this is even a thread

Given your 12 posts in it, I'm surprised that you're surprised.

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04-20-2023 , 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

Given your 12 posts in it, I'm surprised that you're surprised.

Those posts were a bit of de-rail as we were discussing a comparison of Western slavery to the more recent Cambodian genocide.

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04-21-2023 , 12:20 PM

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I don't see a problem with it as long as they are artifacts and are valued for their historical significance.

so you're on team it's ok to have a swastika flag if it's old, but not if it's new?

why do you need to personally have that artifact and display it in your house? if it ACTUALLY has historical significance surely a museum would have it

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04-21-2023 , 11:16 PM

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I think if you bought a cheap swastika and put on your refrigerator door you're most definitely a neo nazi.

If you bought or inherited and old "valuable" swastika to hang in your living room you are most certainly a nazi sympathizer.

If you collect all kinds of old artifacts/memorabilia including nazi stuff for some personal historical reason then you may or may not be a nazi sympathizer.

But neither of our opinions matter for why they personally would want the artifact in their home. It seems to be legal to do so in the examples above in just about every part of the civilized world for very good reasons.

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04-21-2023 , 11:25 PM

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What if you have a historical one and don't have it on display? I have an old luger from that time period. No Nazi stamp. I keep it in my safe and haven't looked at it in years.

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12-06-2023 , 02:46 PM

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I don't have any nazi stuff. I might have a confederate patch but I doubt it.

I found some Nazi Germany Reichspfennig coins in my collection.

Bubble Balls, does Germany allow for these to be bought and sold between individuals in public shops?

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12-06-2023 , 04:02 PM

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I found some Nazi Germany Reichspfennig coins in my collection.

Bubble Balls, does Germany allow for these to be bought and sold between individuals in public shops?

Yup. The symbol just has to be covered. For instance:

https://www.mdm.de/drittes-reich-1-rp-1936-1940-j-361

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12-06-2023 , 05:53 PM

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12-07-2023 , 10:17 AM

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Yup. The symbol just has to be covered. For instance:

https://www.mdm.de/drittes-reich-1-rp-1936-1940-j-361

And its an old symbol right? That used to have a significant meaning.

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12-07-2023 , 10:20 AM

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this...

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Originally Posted by jbouton asks

what was the meaning of the swastika before the nazi era?

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Before its adoption by the Nazis, the swastika was a symbol with a long and diverse history, spanning many cultures around the world. Its meaning varied depending on the context and culture in which it was used.

Ancient and Spiritual Symbolism: The swastika is an ancient symbol that dates back over 5,000 years. It has been used in various cultures, including Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism, where it is seen as a sacred and auspicious sign. In these religions, the swastika symbolizes many positive concepts like good fortune, prosperity, and well-being. Its design, a cross with four arms of equal length each bent at 90 degrees, was often used in religious art and architecture.

Hinduism: In Hinduism, the swastika is a symbol of the god Vishnu and represents the sun, the god of creation, and the four directions. It is a symbol of divine stability and balance.

Buddhism: In Buddhism, the swastika symbolizes the footprints of Buddha. It is used to mark the beginning of texts and is seen as a symbol of the eternal cycle of life.

Jainism: In Jainism, the swastika is an important emblem and is used to mark religious texts, temples, and ceremonies. It represents the four types of birth a soul can take in the cycle of birth and death - heavenly beings, human beings, hell beings, and non-human beings (like animals and plants).

Native American Cultures: Some Native American tribes used the swastika in healing rituals and as a symbol of the movement of the sun across the sky.

European History: The swastika was also a common symbol in Europe, appearing in artifacts and designs from the Iron Age and early Christian and Byzantine art. It often symbolized movement or the sun.

General Cultural Usage: Across various cultures, the swastika has been a symbol of luck, the changing seasons, and the movement of time.

The swastika's meaning changed dramatically in the 20th century with its adoption by the Nazi Party in Germany. Under the Nazi regime, the swastika became a symbol of hate, antisemitism, and the atrocities of the Holocaust. This association has largely overshadowed its ancient and varied history in many parts of the world.

its a judaic/christian crusade to want to bury it.

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12-07-2023 , 12:30 PM

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Btw, a collection like this would be perfectly legal in Germany as well, so long as it wasn’t in public view.

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12-07-2023 , 12:32 PM

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this...

its a judaic/christian crusade to want to bury it.

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12-07-2023 , 04:48 PM

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I am glad you brought that up and I knew you would at some point. There are many WWII German war heroes that are still respected to this day. Rommel and Manstein come to mind.

The analogy for that is the US still considering Jefferson and Washington heros despite their stance on slavery. We are talking about people who would not be noteable or remembered in pop culture if they did not kill US soldiers in order to preserve slavery.

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12-07-2023 , 04:59 PM

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the confederate flag means nothing according to the dukes of hazzard

even the car was named general Lee.

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12-07-2023 , 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

Btw, a collection like this would be perfectly legal in Germany as well, so long as it wasn’t in public view.

So I can't host my annual open air exhibition of Nazi memorabilia there? Ach Scheisse!

Oh well. I'll try

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12-07-2023 , 07:42 PM

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We blamed ww2 on nazism, but we are learning it wasn't actually the cause of the worlds wars. the cognitive dissonance with respect to reality is what is responsible for godwin's law

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