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05-29-2020 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
But is it real? I am genuinely curious whether you think this is real or not?
Literally 100% of my information about what is going on in Minnesota comes from this thread and what's being discussed in the POG thread. So I don't know.
But there has been a history of state actors involved in 'black bloc' type stuff--most famously with the Seattle WTO riots. And I've always argued that social unrest is something desired by the ruling class. So I'm inclined to believe it is real but I haven't paid much attention either.
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05-29-2020 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Minnesota:

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
nice. good look in finding that.

in my jurisdiction that statute is murder 2 and 10-life. to me that should be a slam dunk with the video and a non racist jury. its clearly evident the he had little to no regard for the life of floyd
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05-29-2020 , 11:39 AM
Man, not enough lolz for Kelhus, who's so desperate to protect his narrative that he won't look at a 6 minute youtoobz and is already hedging about it being deceptively edited. Please tell us more about how we are ideologically captured, Kelhus. I could use some more humor on this dark day.
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05-29-2020 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Minnesota:

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.
It will be interesting to see what the charge is. In general, if you do something reckless that a reasonable person would expect could cause injury but which a reasonable person would not expect to cause death, a murder charge is unlikely. For example, if I swing a Wiffle bat at someone in anger, and in an attempt to dodge the bat, the person stumbles, hits his head, and dies, I am in trouble for sure, but unlikely to be charged with murder.

Here, the problem for Chauvin is that, regardless of whether he was intending to kill Floyd when he first put his knee on his neck, at a certain it became obvious that Floyd was in real distress and Chauvin did not let up.

It seems to me that his refusal to let up could evidence a mental state sufficient to support a murder charge.
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05-29-2020 , 11:52 AM

One of those fun coincidences if true (which I have no idea). But saw this in POG and figured it should be posted here.
But maybe he had a personal vendetta against the guy?
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05-29-2020 , 11:53 AM
Ok. I saw the clip. So everyone is amped up on adrenaline and wearing masks/facenasks (and the police have who knows what else impairing their ability to communicate). And there is a ton of background noise (helicopters, bullhorns, etc.).

Clearly the officers were yelling get back, and whatever verbal communications the CNN crew was attempting, they were not moving at all. So seeing no movement and probably not understanding the verbal communication at all, the officers decided in the moment to just start making arrests.

You guys are welcome.
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05-29-2020 , 11:53 AM
Kelhus dunks on himself more than redcuck, smudger and joe6iq put together. Lol can't find a clip of the most searched for video in the last week.

Meh maybe not more than them. All I know is it's DUNK CITY in this forum a lot. Plus all the assists to goofy, wookie and max.
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05-29-2020 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

One of those fun coincidences if true (which I have no idea). But saw this in POG and figured it should be posted here.
But maybe he had a personal vendetta against the guy?
17 years would be a shockingly long time for two different people to work at the same restaurant. I am guessing that this is not accurate.
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05-29-2020 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
17 years would be a shockingly long time for two different people to work at the same restaurant. I am guessing that this is not accurate.
That's definitely a good point. There are people who are restaurant "lifers" of course--especially if it's a family run place with good ownership--but being a lifer implies you don't then quit and join the PD.
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05-29-2020 , 11:59 AM
Most likely they were both part time security/bouncers on and off. A lot of police officers sporadically do part time private security at bars.

My dad had a friend who was a police officer who had his own security company on the side, and actually made much much much much more/hr doing security.

But this was big event specially trained stuff. Not extra security for a bar on a Friday night.

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05-29-2020 , 12:02 PM
Capital > Life in America

We should wait for him to be tried by his peers! Oh wait his peers just burned down the police precinct, lol
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05-29-2020 , 12:08 PM
Floyd just moved to Minneapolis from his hometown Houston only several years ago.
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05-29-2020 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Our city's occupying force just FLEXXED so hard.

10 minutes ago 30+ police cruisers + special forces vehicles cruised down the street at 20mph with their sirens blasting. We gotta know our role I guess.

True that.
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05-29-2020 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Right, I mean it's probably not a conscious and intentional quote, but it's still kind of amazing. There's so much to be horrified by today, really.
Disagree. You got to remember he's got Miller who probably has an unofficial PhD in racist studies and has a ton of political appointees that are plugged into white anti minority history and culture. I'm sure Trump himself doesn't know the history of the quote because because Trump is dumb but I'm willing to bet that the quote was directly told to him and was told it was a good idea to add it or he thought it was a good idea to add it himself after being told it.
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05-29-2020 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
That's one way to go down. Excellent.

Yeah but George Soros paid him in lobster and gold coins to do it.
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05-29-2020 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
Did I miss any mention of the CNN crew arrest in any threads here or you guys are just cool with it?
All the lamestream media should have their noble prizes taken away and thrown in jail.
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05-29-2020 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
Ah I get it you support mob violence and mob justice. Got it.
Is the other option murdering black people for fun? Seems like you choose that by default.
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05-29-2020 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Tbf we need cops.
What we don't need is an occupying force.
nah.
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05-29-2020 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Disagree. You got to remember he's got Miller who probably has an unofficial PhD in racist studies and has a ton of political appointees that are plugged into white anti minority history and culture. I'm sure Trump himself doesn't know the history of the quote because because Trump is dumb but I'm willing to bet that the quote was directly told to him and was told it was a good idea to add it or he thought it was a good idea to add it himself after being told it.
Fair, it's possible someone else suggested it to him. I was only thinking that I doubt Trump explicitly remembered the attribution on his own.
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05-29-2020 , 12:17 PM
WN and Hue, what are you guys talking about?
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05-29-2020 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
Floyd just moved to Minneapolis from his hometown Houston only several years ago.
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...d-15296192.php
Houston Chronicle reporting that he moved to Minneapolis in 2018.
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05-29-2020 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
WN and Hue, what are you guys talking about?
Seadood pointed out that "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" has been used before, which I didn't know:

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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Isn't that what that Florida gov said when they had all those civil right's protests?

edit - I guess it was the Police Chief of Miami in 1967.

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In Miami, Police Chief Walter Headley credited the post-assassination calm in his city to a "get tough" warning he had been issuing in "the Negro district" for months.

"This is war," Headley had declared in late 1967. "We haven't had any serious problems with civil uprisings and looting because I've let the word filter down that when the looting starts, the shooting starts."
I'm not actually that interested in guessing at whether anyone was aware or consciously alluding to this, just that that the symbolism of it (that's probably not exactly the right word) is wild.
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05-29-2020 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
It will be interesting to see what the charge is. In general, if you do something reckless that a reasonable person would expect could cause injury but which a reasonable person would not expect to cause death, a murder charge is unlikely. For example, if I swing a Wiffle bat at someone in anger, and in an attempt to dodge the bat, the person stumbles, hits his head, and dies, I am in trouble for sure, but unlikely to be charged with murder.

Here, the problem for Chauvin is that, regardless of whether he was intending to kill Floyd when he first put his knee on his neck, at a certain it became obvious that Floyd was in real distress and Chauvin did not let up.

It seems to me that his refusal to let up could evidence a mental state sufficient to support a murder charge.
i feel like you are getting egg-shelly proximate cause brained..

to me this is much more analogous to throwing rocks off an overpass and killing someone.

a whiffle bat isnt inherently dangerous. throwing rocks off an overpass at cars is dangerous and shows a willful disregard for human life. similar to knowingly cutting off someones airway with your full body weight for 8 minutes.

the kids that did the overpass thing in 2017 pleaded guilty to murder 2 i believe.
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05-29-2020 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Yeah but George Soros paid him in lobster and gold coins to do it.
Assuming it's true, do you have any better ideas for why he would do it?
Just remembering i had a dream i was getting paid in gold coins and currently eating 'goldfish'--not quite lobster but a little spooky.
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05-29-2020 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...d-15296192.php
Houston Chronicle reporting that he moved to Minneapolis in 2018.
Right. So it's certain that they didn't work together for 17 years. Also, if Chauvin and Floyd had some long-running feud, it's inconceivable to me that Floyd's family and friends wouldn't have been saying as much to media, because that certainly would point in the direction of murder.
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