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05-28-2020 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Everlastrr
Whatever you do, do not watch that video especially with sound. I'm still shaking an hour after I finished watching. Absolutely horrifying.
I honestly don't know what the **** Chauvin was thinking. In a lot of high-profile police shootings, the police officers have to make quick decisions. The pressure of the situation may or may not be an excuse for a particular shooting depending on the situation, but it is at least a partial explanation for how bad things can happen.

This was very different. The officers had Floyd under control for a LONG time before he died. They knew Floyd was unarmed. Floyd obviously was in severe distress. And Chauvin had to have known that he was being filmed. It's almost as if Chauvin was trying to destroy his career and get sent to prison.
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05-28-2020 , 03:38 PM
What gets me is the other officers just standing around and not intervening when it was obvious the guy was being killed.
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05-28-2020 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Typically people get charged with a crime when they're filmed murdering someone, I think that's what people want.
People should get upset if the officers are not charged. If it takes a few days to evaluate the situation and decide what the charges should be, whether the officers should be charged with different crimes, etc., that seems reasonable to me.

Last edited by Rococo; 05-28-2020 at 03:59 PM.
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05-28-2020 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
What gets me is the other officers just standing around and not intervening when it was obvious the guy was being killed.
Their behavior is hard to explain also. But Chauvin is the guy who is most likely to get convicted of murder here. He is the guy who knows he is being filmed with his knee jammed in the neck of a person in handcuffs. He is the guy who is most likely to lose his job even if Floyd survives the encounter. I would have thought that even the worst of cops would have some instincts for self-preservation. This guy is heading for years of solitary confinement. I don't see any possible defenses for him.
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05-28-2020 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Still waiting to see what happens there. Can't think what the delay is, given the obvious, unmistakable and publicly known evidence and the city mayor's stated position. Curious, isn't it?
There are comparable cases where the officer was never charged at all, or it took several months, or in the Noor case it took years.

IF the officers were charged quickly that would be an extreme exception, not the rule. And would probably require the DA breaking some rules that would cause the case to be thrown out.

Of course the Mayor of Minneapolis knows all this. Clearly this is a political ploy. I would surmise him and the current AD are not allies, and he probably has someone else he wants to run for AD next election, so he is purposefully undermining this AD. That and the obvious wants it to appear he is on the mobs side for his own political self preservation.

The officer who killed the victim clearly committed a serious crime he will be charged with, and the other officers may or may not be charged with who knows what. It is always going to take time to sort these things out when it involves making charges police officers.
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05-28-2020 , 04:13 PM
They better charge him before the Mall of America goes up in flames.
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05-28-2020 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
They better charge him before the Mall of America goes up in flames.
In the Stephon Clark case charges were never filed.

In the Daniel Shavers case it took 2 years to charge and the officers were acquittal of all charges

In the Philandro Castille case it took 7 weeks to charge and the officer was acquitted of all charges.

--Those cases were just of the top of my head. There are obviously many more, with similar outcomes.

--And in this case because there is rioting and the main officer was white and the victim was black (which was not the dynamic in any of the other cases) charges should take 2 days? And it is an obvious slam dunk case that should be rushed, despite the fact we have seen acquittals over and over and over for cases just as bad where DA's had years to prepare?
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05-28-2020 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
And in this case because there is rioting and the main officer was white and the victim was black (which was not the dynamic in any of the other cases) charges should take 2 days?
This post is an utter mess of logic. What if charges should have taken significantly less time in all of these cases? I don't think you intend to do this, but your post is suggesting that these other examples you cite (some of which you have complained about yourself before!) were handled appropriately. Is that what you mean to say?
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05-28-2020 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
This post is an utter mess of logic. What if charges should have taken significantly less time in all of these cases? I don't think you intend to do this, but your post is suggesting that these other examples you cite (some of which you have complained about yourself before!) were handled appropriately. Is that what you mean to say?
Are you a district attorney? For all any of us know those cases were handled appropriately for the laws on the books, and the problem is the laws, not DAs taking too long to act on the laws.

Given the abysmal track record of successful prosecutions in these kind of cases, it seems the last thing you would want is someone rushing and possibly making a mistake.
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05-28-2020 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
Are you a district attorney? For all any of us know those cases were handled appropriately for the laws on the books, and the problem is the laws, not DAs taking too long to act on the laws.



Given the abysmal track record of successful prosecutions in these kind of cases, it seems the last thing you would want is someone rushing and possibly making a mistake.
Even assuming this is true, and it's not, why are murder cases involving private citizens so much less important than when cops do it such that they "hastily" get arrested and charged right away?
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05-28-2020 , 04:44 PM
Most of my complaints concerning these cases are in how the media handles them.

I don't know enough to comment how long it should take to press charges against a police officer(s) in cases such as this, where your goal is actually getting a successful prosecution.

And I don't think any of you do either, despite your emotional convictions to the contrary.
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05-28-2020 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Even assuming this is true, and it's not, why are murder cases involving private citizens so much less important than when cops do it such that they "hastily" get arrested and charged right away?
More important has nothing to do with it. That is just your emotions talking.

It would seem there is clearly different laws, guidelines and procedures for law enforcement agents vs. private citizens.

If you don't like it, go run for office on a platform of changing this.
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05-28-2020 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
In the Stephon Clark case charges were never filed.

In the Daniel Shavers case it took 2 years to charge and the officers were acquittal of all charges

In the Philandro Castille case it took 7 weeks to charge and the officer was acquitted of all charges.

--Those cases were just of the top of my head. There are obviously many more, with similar outcomes.

--And in this case because there is rioting and the main officer was white and the victim was black (which was not the dynamic in any of the other cases) charges should take 2 days? And it is an obvious slam dunk case that should be rushed, despite the fact we have seen acquittals over and over and over for cases just as bad where DA's had years to prepare?
It takes time to evolve, at least I hope so.
I think/hope that they are getting better at this. At faster convictions.

Do you think these types of crimes have picked up in the last few years/ under trump vs under obama?
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05-28-2020 , 05:10 PM
I'm guessing with John Q Public there is generally more urgency to arrest due to flight risk and the strong possibility they pose a threat to the general public or specific individuals in a case.

There may also be some hidden strategy going on, trying to show that authorities do not bow down to violence.
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05-28-2020 , 05:27 PM
The two cops on video have more than a dozen formal complaints against them

https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-fl...uct-complaints
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05-28-2020 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
The two cops on video have more than a dozen formal complaints against them

https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-fl...uct-complaints
Knee on the neck guy has had 3 shootings???
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05-28-2020 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
Knee on the neck guy has had 3 shootings???
Yes. He even got a medal of valor. He is a hero. Who knew?

Seriously, it appears the Minn PD has started their PR campaign to paint him as a bad apple, and I suspect we are going to be hearing a lot about "complaints" and not too many mentions of medals and favorable fitness reports and recommendations.
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05-28-2020 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
*more butthurt wailing*
I'm Agnostic mate & couldn't give a rat's ass whether you stick me on ignore or not, stranger on the internet who couldn't back up his position if his life depended on it.
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05-28-2020 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelhus100
More important has nothing to do with it. That is just your emotions talking.

It would seem there is clearly different laws, guidelines and procedures for law enforcement agents vs. private citizens.

If you don't like it, go run for office on a platform of changing this.
Can you point to me where in the state of Minnesota murder statute there is an exception for police? I'm not finding it.
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05-28-2020 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I'm Agnostic mate & couldn't give a rat's ass whether you stick me on ignore or not, stranger on the internet who couldn't back up his position if his life depended on it.
Get 'em tiger!

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05-28-2020 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Hannity was outraged so Trump may act. They showed a second video last night were they cuffed him and he wasn't resisting arrest. 8 minutes and the cop looks to be enjoying it.
I see being convicted of manslaughter at best though its clearly murder
I don't know- as the mayor said the cops had his knee on Mr Floyd's neck for at least five minutes, with some media outlets saying eight minutes. That's the equivalent of strangling somebody, you can't really get more premeditated legally, because as was mentioned at the press conference, the cop had ample time to stop what he was doing. Mr Floyd was already restrained in handcuffs, wasn't resisting arrest, pleads with the cop that he can't breathe several times and the knee across his neck assault wasn't an authorised or recognised technique by the PD. I'd imagine they quite possibly could e charged with murder.
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05-28-2020 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
Corpus is a Dubliner. Not a Northern Irish Unionist as you said. (Dublin is the capital of the Republic of Ireland, as you probably don't even know.)

The Troubles in Northern Ireland, from 1969 to 1999, cost around 3,000 lives. (With idiot know-nothing Americans providing some of the finance and weaponry, though most of it was supplied from Soviet or Libyan sources or from criminal racketeering.) Any mayor of Washington DC who had got the city's murder rate down to the level that even Belfast (capital of the province of Northern Ireland, as you probably again didn't know) experienced at the height of the violence in 1972 would have qualified for the Nobel Peace Prize. But that never happened. Washington DC has always had a far worse per capita murder rate than Belfast.

It's interesting that you consider the deep and notorious historical divisions in Northern Ireland, regarding British rule over the province, as being 'less than racial differences.' Clearly, to a certain sort of American, 'racial differences' are the only things that matter.

Britain is fortunate, unfairly so perhaps, in that all her slave plantations were overseas, so the plantation-house mentality, the paranoid racial fear of what 'They' might do if They were not ruthlessly 'kept down', never took root here. In the United States, however... whole nother story. The racism is constitutional. The Second Amendment was drafted solely so that the southern slave-owning states could arm their 'slave patrols' to keep 'em down. The 'electoral college' in presidential elections was instituted simply because the southern states would never accept a president directly elected by black voters in the northern states. And so on.

You may now go.
It seems you don't like it when people who don't understand the problems you have in your culture comment on it wrongly.

Imagine that ?

And I'm just giving your son the business because he's an arrogant twit and deserves it. Imagine if I were like you two and had no clue how conceited I was?
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05-28-2020 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Get 'em tiger!


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05-28-2020 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
I'm Agnostic mate & couldn't give a rat's ass whether you stick me on ignore or not, stranger on the internet who couldn't back up his position if his life depended on it.

You said I was stalking you. I was giving you a courtesy.

Man, you cry a lot.
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05-28-2020 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
yet more pissing of diddies
I was just laughing at your ignorance as you apparently think The Troubles was still ongoing. As I said to 57 before, he's way more patience than I have. You should brush up on stuff before spouting off half cocked due to your rampant butthurtitis, It would make you look less like a big eejit, is all. (To be sure to be sure)
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