The issues arise when aggressiveness is combined with
(1) poor training (due to low funding)
(2) shoot first (with lethal firearm) mindset (this is mitigated by use of defensive armor and specialized non-lethal weapons to neutralize threats).

I don’t know why I need to provide proof that lethal weapons lead to more suspect fatalities than non-lethal disabling weapons.

So you aren't interested in any information beyond your own gut-feels?

True. And I can imagine situations where that would help. But suppose during the Walker-Taylor raid planning stage they learned it was two likely armed Navy SEALs instead. My guess is in lieu of the plan they did adopt it would have reverted to something like: "We have you surrounded come out with your hands up." So I don't know if making the cops feel even more invincible is the solution. Like they say, once you give someone a hammer, everything becomes a nail.

Having a body cam off or "malfunctioning" at the most crucial point of interaction is not law and order. It's lawlessness

Trying to bury Ahmaud Arbery's murder is not law and order. It's lawlessness

If these things don't change, in real and meaningful terms, then you're going to continue to get a response you won't like. Trump can yap all he wants he is lying through his teeth and the Republican Party doesn't even pretend anymore. They don't ****ing care. They say the quiet parts out loud now and have been caught on camera and hot mics more times than I can count...

If you want law and order of the kind you're thinking, then the Republican Party has to stop installing corrupt pieces of **** in office. Democrats have that same problem, but on a smaller scale, and even within that context, is more of a reactionary response to the extremism of the right. It has gotten progressively worse since Reagan. Just say no may have been well intentioned, but it was a colossal disaster. Deficit spending a colossal disaster. Tearing down solar panels, which now looks like a prescient decision by Jimmy Carter, was also a terrible moment in history...

Now everything is out of control because no one has stepped in to make true change happen. Congress is filled with rich *******s who just want to argue about how to spend our money and all they're really doing is siphoning it off in pay raises, cushy post career jobs, and perks for being in power and helping out their friends while everyone, EVERYONE not wealthy or on a clear path to success is being ripped off

Even if you think you have good health insurance, you don't. You are being ripped off you just won't know it until the time comes when you need it most god forbid you fall into that situation. It's all bullshit, all corrupt, and all grotesque distortions of an economy based on capitalism

So when you see Taylor get killed and this discussion about no knock warrants, I see a Congress who refuses to decriminalize drugs, bolster rehabilitation and mental health services/healthcare in general, and an indifference to the insane, draconian power police exert over citizens at the southern border via drug seizure laws. Abuse of the Patriot Act, meant to fight terrorism, now only being used to throw the kitchen sink at any target they choose for drugs

If we weren't so ****ing corrupt and incompetent, we'd have had laws on the books DECADES ago that may have rendered these insanely militarized police units and insane policies and swaths of arrogant, hyper masculine morons obsolete. Or at least operating on a MUCH smaller scale, with manpower dedicated to other crimes of more significance and a far less need for violence...including the prevention of crime rather than the escalation of it

We're at a point now where a cop can't just give Sterling Brown a parking ticket and walk away. No, he's gotten give him a piece of his mind, disrespect a complete stranger, and call in 12 cops to back him up. Over a parking ticket. An incident that ended with an NBA player (read: really ****ing gainfully employed) getting tazed on some bullshit and those *******s feeling righteous about it. And then a bunch of dickheads come on these boards and decide that he deserved it! Get the **** out of here. Call him an *******, give him a ticket, and walk away. If the car's still there in an hour, then ****ing tow it. The end

Once we clean all that bullshit up, then we can move on to how ****ed up the Democratic Party is and all its inanity wrt...everything. But both sidesing does a disservice to the matter at hand, because the right side is a much bigger problem and has been for like at least a half century (whenever Southern Strategy started)

The goal is to reduce the % chance that society produces a complete ******* like George Floyd

The goal is to reduce the % chance that society produces a justice system that leads to killing people like George Floyd, but rather exhausting every avenue possible to get him help and/or support so that he can be a better person

In doing so, the hope and expectation is that Breonna Taylor lives and gets to go to work the next day. She had no record and a good job. Dead Breonna Taylors don't help the economy, nor do families and communities who get devastated by the violence

We do not know what her true involvement or lack thereof was wrt to drug running. She had a bf who turned out to be a huge criminal, years ago. That should not be a death sentence, nor a reason to just dismiss the fact that she is DEAD

I don't care how long George Floyd's rap sheet is. I'm sure people will not miss him, but that's not the POINT. Nobody should be dead before the trial. Taylor should not be dead before the trial. And that's if a trial is even warranted! We scream about how there was no evidence to prove George Zimmerman murdered Trayvon Martin, but now we can't afford the same benefit of the doubt to Breonna Taylor? What the **** is that? Notice the common denominator, that people choose to defend the not dead people?

It's ****ing disturbing

Lol right-wingers are the easiest grift imaginable.

Reminds me of how police complained in the 60s that Miranda Rights would be the end of police investigation as we know it.

And yet their unions pretty consistently fight the required use of them. Hmmm?

Do you think that is because with those camera's when they do the right thing, the camera's help and back that up.

But without the camera's when they do the wrong things they cannot simply lie and get away with it as easy?

Cops with no camara's will get the benefit of the doubt 99% of time, so really they don't need them when they do the right thing.

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What the actual ****? Taylor had literally zero criminal record before she was shot dead.

It's one thing to continually point to the record that someone like Floyd or Blake had; it's heartless, harmful, completely misses the point and makes you look like an *******, but it's at least based in reality. It's another entirely to say that someone who had never been charged with any crime and whose job helped save people's lives had a "vile record".

Technological improvements and innovation (thanks 1980s NYPD) made things a lot better, but even still I think they’re still right if you run the counterfactual.

CHAZ had nothing to do with looting or googling people like yourself to steal from you. I mean, are you a billionaire industry titan? no. then stop buying into idiotic right wing lies. you aren no better than the people you are criticizing.

reducing people to how they "help the economy" is pretty ****ing disturbing

Celtics bench is so bad

Keep highlighting how you have a very selective definition of the word injustice. Hand wave away looting arson and the murder of David Dorn and falsely equate such things with "a few smashed windows" all you like. It's reason seven million and four why you're regarded as a dishonest aptly named poster who doesn't know what words mean such as "injustice" and "murder", considering you regard every police shooting as such. All you have is hyperbole and dishonesty. You're useless.

Seems to be a crazy amount of young guys really wanting to go out and kill people

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ldqpgc#4ldqpgc

Thank God for the police that put down that dog Brad Parscale.

The prosecutor acted like a defense attorney with the grand jury.

He ODed on Fent PERIOD. He couldn't breathe before he was even on the ground. Watch the bodycams.Oh I forgot the poker community which has its roots in the wild west, shootouts, cheating and mayhem are 99% Dneg clones.

bigslickkk

i love how idiots think that somehow if you kill someone that also possibly was on drugs its totally not your fault that you actually killed them.

i guess it is at least somewhat similar logic to the other cases of them cheering police executing people for minor crimes.

You work in the Minneapolis coroner’s department? I agree everyone who comments on the case should watch the body cams to get more info but I believe the coroner ruled it a homicide based on three factors; heart disease, drugs, and 500 lbs of police on top of him.

Dude. You have mental problems

I DO NOT VIEW HUMAN BEINGS AS UNITS OF ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY

Learn how to read my posts, because you are literally misinterpreting everything I write. You cursed me out in PM months ago after me making a similar post about subjects like this, and I politely pointed out who you are misreading what I write. Stop ****ing doing it. I'm not going to be polite anymore if you can't control yourself and take a second to stop seeing red and come at my neck

Talk to me with respect or don't talk to me at all if you're going to be so incompetent

The whole point of that post is to appeal to RIGHT WING *******S who don't realize nor care that human beings DEAD do no good for society. I don't view human beings like that. They don't all do that either. When discussing an economy, human beings ARE a unit of economic measurement

When discussing governance, it helps to make the ECONOMIC argument to show that it coincides with the MORAL argument, which is that Breonna Taylor is a ****ing human being, as is George Floyd, AND BOTH SHOULD BE ALIVE

If you took the time to parse out what I'm saying, then you'd see that I continually talk about FAMILIES and COMMUNITIES. Jailed citizens unable to get jobs, education, or be involved in their child's life, a profound impact even if the parent isn't the greatest person in the world

Single parent households are, like, the single biggest predictor of a kid ultimately committing crimes in their life. So I'm kind of against throwing people in jail and watching people die NEEDLESSLY

I care. I'm a minority. I trust the police if I'm forced to, but the truth is I don't ****ing trust anyone anymore. I'm Dr. ****ing House and everybody lies

Just please try to read most posts more carefully. Other posters tried to point out that you may be reading into my posts incorrectly and I get it. I say things that can look like I'm one thing or another and I'm not mad. You feel how you feel it's your right. Just don't twist my words. Please

I have never PMed with you