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09-22-2020 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime
One could argue that a stoplight is a socialistic idea with that viewpoint as it uses tax money to better society.

Forced wealth redistribution = socialist
Unlimited welfare = socialist
Stoplight = common sense
GI Bill = nationalistic rewards for serving your country instead of living off it.

Y’all some amazin thinkers!
the only forced redistributions in the USA is from the citizenry to the rich elites and the corporate cartels. this happens with taxes and tax subsidies, destruction of the environment of which the cost is footed by the people, forced monopolies such as PG&E that drastically raise prices while reducing service and even causing deadly disasters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Br...line_explosion), and the dismantling of worker protections.

the Stoplight was actually a handout to the Auto industries. another form of corporate socialism.

The GI Bill was not only explicitly socialist, a clear handout, but also a direct response to the "Spector of Communism". You see the govt and the capitalists were pretty damn scared that hundreds of thousands of trained military with plenty of experience at killing were going to come back home and not just quietly return to lives of subsistence and depression after mingling with the Socialists in Europe. Maybe you could call it a bribe even.

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09-22-2020 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime
One could argue that a stoplight is a socialistic idea with that viewpoint as it uses tax money to better society.

Forced wealth redistribution = socialist
Unlimited welfare = socialist
Stoplight = common sense
GI Bill = nationalistic rewards for serving your country instead of living off it.

Y’all some amazin thinkers!
Ummm, GI Bill 100% socialist.

The armed forces are an example of socialism in action as they aren't at all self supporting like, say the post office.

Also, why do you equate unlimited welfare with socialism ? If that were true everyone from a socialist country would be rich and not work. Any proof of that ? Just curious.
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09-22-2020 , 11:06 AM
Remember how this guy tried to tell us Malcolm X was a conservative? His mind is gonna explode when he learns how X felt about socialism.
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09-22-2020 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime
seems a tad disingenuous since i never said, nor implied, that black people consistently make poor choices. the fact that you extrapolated that from:



suggests that YOU have a racist viewpoint, albeit one well shrouded in leftist jibber jabber.
Black people are consistently poorer than white people even when they have the same education. Black people with a college degree are poorer than white people without. Black people are arrested for drugs more often despite comparable rates of use to white people. Black people face harsher sentences for the same crimes compared to white people.

You insisted that a Black person has no reason to be worse of than a white person except for making poor choices. Well, Black people, as a race, have a significantly lower station on average than white people. The only way that's true if there is no racism holding them back as you claim, is for Black people to be substantially worse decision makers on average.

You're welcome to chime in with, "Oh, I had no idea that Black people with college degrees were poorer than uneducated white people. Maybe there is racism holding them back after all." Ignorance is an acceptable defense to accusations of racism if you make amends in good faith as you learn more.
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09-22-2020 , 12:57 PM
Sole survivor of Kenosha protests shootings speaks out for first time.

Paraphrasing here, but...

Interviewer: What on earth was going through your head when you decided to chase after and attack a guy with a semi automatic rifle?

Guy: I --

Guy's lawyer interrupts: Let's not get into that, this interview is about how my client is the victim here.
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09-22-2020 , 12:58 PM
What's your thesis, Inso?
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09-22-2020 , 01:09 PM


Let's see how that plays out Austin
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09-22-2020 , 01:43 PM
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What's your thesis, Inso?
Much like the very incident that prompted this thread in the first place, people don't want to discuss the events that led to negative outcomes, only the outcomes themselves.

I was just amused by the interview. Blondie McJustice over there probably plays his FPS games like I do. Trying to get as many knife kills as possible, but eating a lot of bullets to the face in the process.
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09-22-2020 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Alleged evidence tampering by prosecution in McCloskey case
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/07/24...skey-gun-case/
I refuse to believe that the police could ever be capable of tampering evidence. They are the only ones holding the THUGS back! We NEED the THIN BLUE LINE! I trust POLICE!
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09-22-2020 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Much like the very incident that prompted this thread in the first place, people don't want to discuss the events that led to negative outcomes, only the outcomes themselves.
Wasn't he trying to disarm a gunman who had already murdered someone else that night? So weird how unarmed men murdered by police are THUGS/DRUG ADDICTS but armed vigilantes who murdered multiple people are HEROS defending FREEEDOM. It's almost like there's some other factor? Like maybe hair color, or eye color, or idk... maybe race?

Nah, that's crazy. Racism ended when we got rid of slavery. Or was it after MLK was born? No, it was after school integration, which white people totally supported and rallied behind, showing how society had completely eradicated racism
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09-22-2020 , 02:38 PM
Imagine being so consumed by racial politics that you have to try in vain to shoehorn racism into a story where 100% of the players were white.

Whatever would non-whites do without you to carry their burdens?
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09-22-2020 , 05:08 PM
Body cam footage came out of the Salt Lake police killing an autistic child and I guess it looks like a thousand other interactions with the police. The kids autistic so he's kind of just there not really listening to commands but also not like being overtly threatening and the police shoot him within 10 seconds of catching up to him.

I'm sure the cop will say the kid was reaching for something, and it's theoretically possible he was, but in the context of being a 13 year old autistic kid the actually was 0 that he was going to do anything threatening.

I imagine the cop might get manslaughter, maybe, but the footage makes the blood boil.

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The video shows officers chasing Cameron on foot before catching up to him on a sidewalk.

“Get on the ground, get on the ground,” an officer is heard shouting. “On the ground now. On the ground.”

Then he fires a series of ten shots in rapid succession.

“I don’t feel good,” Cameron can be heard saying. “Tell my mom I love her.”
https://wgno.com/news/tell-my-mom-i-...y-with-autism/

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09-22-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Much like the very incident that prompted this thread in the first place, people don't want to discuss the events that led to negative outcomes, only the outcomes themselves.

I was just amused by the interview. Blondie McJustice over there probably plays his FPS games like I do. Trying to get as many knife kills as possible, but eating a lot of bullets to the face in the process.
Most likely the lawyer is thinking if the shooter is acquitted on the first shooting via self-defense the other shootings become justified and his client could be charged with assault.
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09-22-2020 , 05:58 PM


Atlanta cop says property developers worked with the police department to crack down in apartment buildings so they could evict residents (they needed felony convictions in order to kick people out) and redevelop the buildings.

After talking to the media, he left Atlanta due to threats against his family.

Nice organization they got there.
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09-22-2020 , 08:34 PM
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Atlanta cop says property developers worked with the police department to crack down in apartment buildings so they could evict residents (they needed felony convictions in order to kick people out) and redevelop the buildings.

After talking to the media, he left Atlanta due to threats against his family.

Nice organization they got there.
Just another isolated incident. I'm sure it doesn't point to some kkkind of systemic issue that needs to be addressed
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09-22-2020 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer


Atlanta cop says property developers worked with the police department to crack down in apartment buildings so they could evict residents (they needed felony convictions in order to kick people out) and redevelop the buildings.

After talking to the media, he left Atlanta due to threats against his family.

Nice organization they got there.
Capitalism
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09-22-2020 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer




Atlanta cop says property developers worked with the police department to crack down in apartment buildings so they could evict residents (they needed felony convictions in order to kick people out) and redevelop the buildings.



After talking to the media, he left Atlanta due to threats against his family.



Nice organization they got there.
I read this and it's odd that they're no independent reporting on the officer's claims in the story. No interviews with the residents, no public records requests to check on higher ticket writing in the area, etc. Just the guy's story.
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09-23-2020 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I read this and it's odd that they're no independent reporting on the officer's claims in the story. No interviews with the residents, no public records requests to check on higher ticket writing in the area, etc. Just the guy's story.
It's reassuring someone like you says this outloud from time to time.
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09-23-2020 , 01:09 AM
From what I could find, there is a lot of redevelopment of section 8 housing in the area. The company that owns that apartment complex opened a new seniors low income housing project called "city lights", and are looking to redevelop the current section 8 housing in the area. There are a few mentions of a person named Kwanza Hall, who was the city council member representing that area, and he seems to focus on low income housing, and supports these projects, as does the mayor.

What this looks like to me is, the city is investing a lot of resources to improve living conditions in the area, and they are using the police to assist with that.


Here is a dated article talking about a project in the area:

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The first piece of a multi-phase project called "City Lights" has been green-lighted, with the expectation it will brighten up a long-vacant corner of Boulevard. Invest Atlanta has approved $7.5 million in tax-exempt bonds to finance 80 housing units for low-income, independent seniors in the Old Fourth Ward. Wingate Capital Partners — the owner and manager of Bedford Pine, the Southeast's largest Section 8 housing project — is leading the four-story development. It will rise at the corner of Boulevard and Angier Avenue, a lot that's been vacant since fire ravaged two apartment complexes there in 2005.

City officials lauded the project as a clear sign of progress for Boulevard, a beleaguered thoroughfare where redevelopment efforts have been stymied but social programs have recently flourished. "The Old Fourth Ward has been craving this type of redevelopment for years and it is now our time," Councilmember Kwanza Hall said in a press release. Added Mayor Kasim Reed: "Transformative projects like the Atlanta Beltline, the Streetcar line and Ponce City Market are sparking a renaissance in the Old Fourth Ward Â… With even more to come, this neighborhood is on track to reclaim the vibrancy it once enjoyed as a center of commerce and culture."

Construction on the first City Lights phase is expected to take 16 months, wrapping sometime late next year. Units will be leased to seniors with income at, or below, 60 percent of the area's median income. Residents will receive assistance from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, or HUD. Wingate has been cooking up plans for a new building catering to seniors since last year. Some have blamed the Boston-based company for oppressing Boulevard's progress. https://atlanta.curbed.com/2014/6/19...rd-bright-spot

This is the bullshit part of the MJ story:

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A homeowner in the area was very frank with me. He said the guys who own Bedford Pines got their tax bill last year, and their taxes were assessed based on all the gentrification that’s happening in the area. And so they wanted to move everybody out of these apartments and knock ’em down and rebuild these nice expensive apartments and the government said no. And so then they said, “Well, that’s ok, we’ll just increase the rent.” They tried to increase the rent and the Section 8 guys came back out and said, “No, you can’t do that either.”

It seems they want to build nicer section 8, or low income housing, and the city council and mayor is on board with that plan. It seems the company is in a private-public partnership with the city to provide low income housing.

Here is another piece, which is also dated:

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The Future of Boulevard: Two Opposing Viewpoints

Thanks largely to the Beltline's Eastside Trail and the imminent arrival of Ponce City Market, the Old Fourth Ward is one of Atlanta's hottest neighborhoods. But O4W is also one of the city's most debated areas, with the focus squarely on a road with one name: Boulevard. With about 600 separate apartments, Bedford Pine is the Southeast's largest Section 8 housing project. Crime has been so prevalent in years past that Atlanta police opened a holding cell right on the property and a substation down the street at Atlanta Medical Center.

When Wingate Capital Partners — the owner and manager of Bedford Pine — announced last month it was moving forward with a project called City Lights, the praise was effusive from many places, but not everyone was enthralled. Aimed at creating 80 housing units for low-income seniors at the corner of Boulevard and Angier Avenue, city officials touted City Lights as a sign of progress and promise. Mayor Kasim Reed mentioned it alongside "transformative" O4W-area projects like Ponce City Market. One longtime resident foresaw a new drug hotspot.


]The fate of Boulevard is a work in progress. Curbed Atlanta caught up (separately) with Wingate President Mark Schuster and longtime Boulevard resident Keith De Cay for their (very different) thoughts on the past, present and future of Atlanta's most talked-about thoroughfare.

SCHUSTER:

· City Lights is "emblematic of things to come." He believes the city, and particularly Atlanta City Councilman Kwanza Hall (the neighborhood booster behind the Yo! Boulevard campaign), have "made a real commitment."

· The ultimate vision for Wingate's stretch of Boulevard, according to Schuster, is to invest $200 million over seven years and create a mixed-use area for Section 8 folks and market-rate renters. Ground is expected to break on City Lights sometime in the early fall. "I think we all want something better and we've found the tools to do that," he said.

· Schuster notes: "The (crime) numbers are improving every year." He pointed to proactive measures that include 25 off-duty police officers in the area on a regular basis and the award-winning Operation PEACE project. City Lights is the first step in turning "350 sides" — the four walls and roof of all 70 Bedford Pine buildings — into 50. Wingate hopes to convert their properties into just 10 buildings, but has to do so piecemeal so no one is displaced. "It's a very different opportunity to be successful" with far fewer entrances per property, Schuster said.

DE CAY:

· Wingate has "failed to make any improvement in the area which has caused a nightmare for all of the middle-income people that live there because of how they manage the area."

· De Cay contends that City Lights will exacerbate Boulevard's problems. "APD has to see the drug exchange, and the dealers know this, so they use a drop site exchange system," he said. "What the dealers need is a safe, public site to store their drugs and the new underground parking garage (at City Lights) … will be their new safe exchange site. The dealers get the money and just send the buyer to parking spot X."

· "If we make Wingate accountable for their past, we can make Boulevard as nice as 39th Street in Chicago or St. Bernard Ave. in New Orleans," De Cay said. "I have houses in both places and can show you how to change an area."

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09-23-2020 , 01:39 AM
ATL is run by property developers. Simply business y'all nothing personal.
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09-23-2020 , 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I read this and it's odd that they're no independent reporting on the officer's claims in the story. No interviews with the residents, no public records requests to check on higher ticket writing in the area, etc. Just the guy's story.
I’m sure Mother Jones did its due diligence before taking this story to print.
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09-23-2020 , 02:38 PM
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You all already knew what corpus vile said is true before you even posted.



This is a huge loss for the city of Louisville and racism in the US. I can't say I really understand why the mayor thinks it is a good idea to give the family of a woman who was killed by police $12M just because she was involved in drugs and was unfortunate enough to be standing so close to someone (her bf) that was dumb enough to shoot a police officer.

There are thousands of families that lost someone in Louisville that deserve that money more than them. Maybe this will turn out to be a good thing and we can get a new mayor because of this.
Lol that you and cv are claiming cities like Louisville pay out 12 million dollar judgments in cases with no merit.

This may be one of the dumber viewpoints on this forum.

It’s also why immunity for police is stupid. There is zero motivation for racist pos cops to not murder people when they personally have zero liability and municipalities will just pay off the families of the murdered.
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09-23-2020 , 03:17 PM
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09-23-2020 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime
One could argue that a stoplight is a socialistic idea with that viewpoint as it uses tax money to better society.

Forced wealth redistribution = socialist
Unlimited welfare = socialist
Stoplight = common sense
GI Bill = nationalistic rewards for serving your country instead of living off it.

Y’all some amazin thinkers!
just want to go back to this one

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09-23-2020 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
Alleged evidence tampering by prosecution in McCloskey case
https://tennesseestar.com/2020/07/24...skey-gun-case/
Riding in on dominic’s great, great, great, great grandfather’s pony.
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