Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > >

Notices

Politics and Society Contentions, Controversies, and Conflicts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-16-2020, 03:02 AM   #7226
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slighted View Post
doubtful anyone that should feel silly has the self awareness to actually feel it. i mean the fact that the DA dropped charges against the boyfriend who allegedly "shot an officer" shows you everything you need to know about what really happened.. just how often do you think charges are dropped against people accused of shooting officers...

we're more likely to get some responses about how the covington snot is actually bankrupting CNN from his massive made up settlement so this shouldn't matter, but also the standard take that settlements mean you are guilty if you are on the left and settle but don't prove any guilt if you are on the right
Cities tend to settle cases, it doesn't really mean anything.

To clarify I'm not saying anything about the Breonna Taylor shooting specifically, just that settling doesn't really mean anything.

Last edited by corpus vile; 09-16-2020 at 03:11 AM.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:09 AM   #7227
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by GodgersWOAT View Post
They may not be thrilled by the attempted murders, but they’re not upset about it.

It’s possible that those cops were no angels so they kind of had it coming you know. Why would you feel sympathetic towards all but the most pure and innocent victims?
I've seen nothing to indicate the two cops were corrupt. If you've anything please link it and I'll assess it, cheers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman View Post
Actually would have.

Nice try though.
If by that you mean you'd have a dead social worker than yeah sure why not.

Otherwise no that's a silly idea.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:22 AM   #7228
Slighted
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Slighted's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 14,474
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
Re alleged disproportionate sentencing I asked slighted (a self proclaimed lawyer) twice if he could explain the US sentencing commissions comments on this specific issue and he never got back to me. It stated that sentencing was based on factors which could not be determined, which to me seems pretty cryptic and opaque. But again he never got back to me
I didn’t answer you because much like others here that try the whole “don’t believe Systematic racism exists In the criminal justice system” Take don’t understand the difference between state and federal crime laws and prisons.

The “US sentencing commission” has very little to do with any of the state sentencing/prisons which is where the VAST MAJORITY of crimes are tried and which sentences are issued. Roughly 200,000 Americans are in federal prison vs 2million in state prison/local jails.

The report that you seemed to skip over answers your question through looking at the Massachusetts sentencing commission reports. If you’d like to go through each of the states and see that information feel free.

The FACT that there is systematic racism in the system is so well known and explained that a simple google search would bring up all the information you would ever need.
Slighted is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 05:00 AM   #7229
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by Slighted View Post
I didn’t answer you because much like others here that try the whole “don’t believe Systematic racism exists In the criminal justice system” Take don’t understand the difference between state and federal crime laws and prisons.

The “US sentencing commission” has very little to do with any of the state sentencing/prisons which is where the VAST MAJORITY of crimes are tried and which sentences are issued. Roughly 200,000 Americans are in federal prison vs 2million in state prison/local jails.

The report that you seemed to skip over answers your question through looking at the Massachusetts sentencing commission reports. If you’d like to go through each of the states and see that information feel free.

The FACT that there is systematic racism in the system is so well known and explained that a simple google search would bring up all the information you would ever need.

I asked you because cursory examination of the sentencing difference to me bears investigating further only I haven't had time lately but intend to do so when said time becomes available. I was interested in your legal opinion on the commission's quote. I haven't read Cuepee's linked report yet, hence the reason I haven't actually commented on it yet.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 05:40 AM   #7230
itshotinvegas
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 5,055
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

When wouldn't there be systemic racism? What would the stats look like?

Quote:
The FACT that there is systematic racism in the system is so well known and explained that a simple google search would bring up all the information you would ever need.
LOL
itshotinvegas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 07:08 AM   #7231
Victor
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Victor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 64,334
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here and I know you think they deserve it, considering you're a Communist cheerleader and extremist. But that said, yeah at least you have the balls to come right out and say it, I will say that for you.
Your inability to understand clear and concise language is not my problem.
Victor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 08:57 AM   #7232
chezlaw
Limey Bastard
 
chezlaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: London
Posts: 39,554
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
Afaik I think they guy was Hispanic actually.
This particular outburst of frustrated anger isn't remotely understandable or justifiable, not when a guy is charging at a cop with a knife. Protesting against such things intimate some sort of issue with law enforcement in general instead of specific issues such as police brutality.

I can understand protests re George Floyd or particularly Elijah McCain but not for the likes of this shooting.
My point is that it wasn't a reaction to the details of the case but a reaction to the general problem. So it's quite possible to have an understandable and justifiable immediate reaction to an incident whatever the details of the particular case.

You might well disagree with me on that but more discussion of the details is besides the point. As time passes these details become relevant and obviously when it comes to action against those involved, the details are hugely important.
chezlaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 09:37 AM   #7233
tgiggity
Pooh-Bah
 
tgiggity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Rosarito
Posts: 4,732
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
You don't, you live in a country where there's a presumption of innocence which isn't exactly the same thing as innocence and that's not semantics either.

They were two cops sitting in a cruiser, they're supposed to be armed and your comparison isn't an apt one.
Saying that one is "innocent until proven guilty" is different from saying there there is a "presumption of innocence"?

This sounds like a very important semantics argument so please go ahead, I'm all ears.

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
They were two cops sitting in a cruiser, they're supposed to be armed and your comparison isn't an apt one.
Everyone is supposed to be armed if they are sitting in a car. Haven't you heard of the 2nd amendment? Guns keep people safe!!

At the same time, if someone is maybe potentially armed then it's better to execute them and try to find out if they actually had a weapon later.

'MURICAAAA
tgiggity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 10:07 AM   #7234
Cuepee
veteran
 
Cuepee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 2,054
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

When you get a bunch of cops feeling charitable what's on the song play list?


Fury at singer's 'Dead, Dead Michael Brown' parody making fun of teen's death at Elks party for retiring cop

The Glendale, California Elks Lodge is investigating after a song mocking the death of Michael Brown was sung by performer Gary Fishell at a charity golf event.
Cuepee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 01:22 PM   #7235
bahbahmickey
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
bahbahmickey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: UTG-3
Posts: 12,544
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by markksman View Post
My Louisville sources tell me that while Breona Taylor’s family is being paid millions for her murder, she would have gotten hundreds of millions if she were not a drug king pin like Pablo Escobar.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWookie View Post
You, uh, think bahbah is one to update his thinking when new information conflicts with his priors?
You all already knew what corpus vile said is true before you even posted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
Cities tend to settle cases, it doesn't really mean anything.
This is a huge loss for the city of Louisville and racism in the US. I can't say I really understand why the mayor thinks it is a good idea to give the family of a woman who was killed by police $12M just because she was involved in drugs and was unfortunate enough to be standing so close to someone (her bf) that was dumb enough to shoot a police officer.

There are thousands of families that lost someone in Louisville that deserve that money more than them. Maybe this will turn out to be a good thing and we can get a new mayor because of this.
bahbahmickey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 01:34 PM   #7236
MrWookie
Don't Call Me Meredith
 
MrWookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Treating my drinking problem.
Posts: 93,368
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Bahbah,

You're still a ****ing liar who lies.
MrWookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 01:52 PM   #7237
Trolly McTrollson
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Trolly McTrollson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Winesburg, Ohio
Posts: 30,139
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by bahbahmickey View Post
a woman who was killed by police $12M just because she was involved in drugs
I thought he wasn't allowed to push this lie anymore?
Trolly McTrollson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 02:08 PM   #7238
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by tgiggity View Post
Saying that one is "innocent until proven guilty" is different from saying there there is a "presumption of innocence"?

This sounds like a very important semantics argument so please go ahead, I'm all ears.
Already covered re vacated convictions but to give another example, let's say you murder someone but the cops don't have enough evidence to charge you or bring you to trial. You therefore won't be subjected to criminal charges or trial, despite your being factually guilty Af in addition to the seven more victims you left at various dump sites that the cops aren't even aware of.

This is due to you having a presumption of innocence in the absence of sufficient evidence for you to face justice. (unless they find the bloodied chainsaw you stupidly didn't clean with your dna and victims' blood all over it, then you're in a world of trouble)
It has nothing to do with actual innocence or guilt.

Quote:
Everyone is supposed to be armed if they are sitting in a car. Haven't you heard of the 2nd amendment? Guns keep people safe!!

At the same time, if someone is maybe potentially armed then it's better to execute them and try to find out if they actually had a weapon later.

'MURICAAAA

Yeah again your comparison isn't apt and no cop has been charged with "executing" anyone and hyperbole doesn't help things.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 02:15 PM   #7239
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by Victor View Post
Your inability to understand clear and concise language is not my problem.
But it wasn't clear or concise although you appear to be saying the cops were corrupt without providing any evidence of this
Quote:
Originally Posted by chezlaw View Post
My point is that it wasn't a reaction to the details of the case but a reaction to the general problem. So it's quite possible to have an understandable and justifiable immediate reaction to an incident whatever the details of the particular case.

You might well disagree with me on that but more discussion of the details is besides the point. As time passes these details become relevant and obviously when it comes to action against those involved, the details are hugely important.
A bloke charging at a cop with a knife isn't remotely connected to the general problem of police brutality/ perceived unlawful shootings.

If people are gonna protest against every police shooting regardless of context or circumstance then it simply looks like they're anti police and have a thing for crims.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 02:33 PM   #7240
goofyballer
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
goofyballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 69,260
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Rochester cops tried to cover up information around the death of Daniel Prude

Looks like they leaned heavily on the words of certain 2+2 posters in justifying their decisions to prevent the public from learning the truth:

Quote:
The documents, which the city released Monday, capture repeated attempts by officials to prevent the full picture of Prude’s death from getting out — with authorities’ citing an ongoing investigation and privacy laws among their justifications — as they worried about a public backlash in a climate of growing scrutiny of police.

“We certainly do not want people to misinterpret the officers’ actions and conflate this incident with any recent killings of unarmed Black men by law enforcement nationally,” Deputy Police Chief Mark Simmons wrote to Chief La’Ron Singletary in June as protests over the death of George Floyd swept the country. “That would simply be a false narrative, and could create animosity and potentially violent blowback in this community as a result.”

Singletary wrote back about 20 minutes later: “I totally agree.”
When IHIV and Kelhus lead police departments!

Quote:
The documents suggest police were thinking carefully about how to frame their encounter with Prude early on. A note on a police report suggests Prude be listed as a potential offender rather than just an “individual.”

“Make him a suspect,” the note reads. Police believed Prude had broken a store window and unlawfully entered a building, according to the documents.
goofyballer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 02:44 PM   #7241
goofyballer
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
goofyballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 69,260
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Grand jury indicts Omaha bar owner for manslaughter in the killing of a black protester, after the county prosecutor previously declined to press charges

Quote:
“I can tell you that there is evidence that undermines” Gardner’s claims of self-defense, said [U.S. Attorney and special prosecutor] Franklin, without getting into specifics. “And that evidence comes primarily from Jake Gardner himself.”
...
On Tuesday, Franklin said the evidence presented to the grand jury showed them “Jake Gardner was threatening the use of deadly force in the absence of being threatened with a concomitant deadly force by James Scurlock or anyone who was associated with him.”
goofyballer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 02:49 PM   #7242
tgiggity
Pooh-Bah
 
tgiggity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Rosarito
Posts: 4,732
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Already covered re vacated convictions but to give another example, let's say you murder someone but the cops don't have enough evidence to charge you or bring you to trial. You therefore won't be subjected to criminal charges or trial, despite your being factually guilty Af in addition to the seven more victims you left at various dump sites that the cops aren't even aware of.

This is due to you having a presumption of innocence in the absence of sufficient evidence for you to face justice. (unless they find the bloodied chainsaw you stupidly didn't clean with your dna and victims' blood all over it, then you're in a world of trouble)
It has nothing to do with actual innocence or guilt.
That was a lot of words to end up agreeing with what I said. Semantics are fun, we should spend more time engaging in semantic discussions and less on unimportant issues

Quote:
and no cop has been charged with "executing" anyone
which is why we protest
tgiggity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:03 PM   #7243
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by tgiggity View Post
That was a lot of words to end up agreeing with what I said. Semantics are fun, we should spend more time engaging in semantic discussions and less on unimportant issues
It's not semantics. You really think the cops regard the stepmother of Kyron Horman as innocent for example? They simply don't have enough evidence to bring her to trial yet. Doesn't mean they don't think she murdered him.



Quote:
which is why we protest
Then you're living in cloud cuckoo land as there's zero evidence cops have "executed" anyone and again hyperbole doesn't help your case here.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:13 PM   #7244
Trolly McTrollson
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
Trolly McTrollson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Winesburg, Ohio
Posts: 30,139
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
It's not semantics. You really think the cops regard the stepmother of Kyron Horman as innocent for example? They simply don't have enough evidence to bring her to trial yet. Doesn't mean they don't think she murdered him.
So? They’re still not legally allowed to perform summary executions.
Trolly McTrollson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:16 PM   #7245
SiMor29
Pooh-Bah
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Scotland
Posts: 4,468
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWookie View Post
You, uh, think bahbah is one to update his thinking when new information conflicts with his priors?
Ok fair point. I should rephrase to say it makes them look a little bit silly.
SiMor29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:18 PM   #7246
tgiggity
Pooh-Bah
 
tgiggity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Rosarito
Posts: 4,732
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Then you're living in cloud cuckoo land as there's zero evidence cops have "executed" anyone and again hyperbole doesn't help your case here.
LOL
tgiggity is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:34 PM   #7247
wet work
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
wet work's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 7,259
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post




Then you're living in cloud cuckoo land as there's zero evidence cops have "executed" anyone and again hyperbole doesn't help your case here.
ahh The naivete of someone who has apparently never heard on off-duty cop casually fantasizing at a family cookout about being judge dredd lol and then a couple hours later jumping in their truck decorated with Punisher stickers
wet work is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 03:36 PM   #7248
MrWookie
Don't Call Me Meredith
 
MrWookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Treating my drinking problem.
Posts: 93,368
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by corpus vile View Post
It's not semantics. You really think the cops regard the stepmother of Kyron Horman as innocent for example? They simply don't have enough evidence to bring her to trial yet. Doesn't mean they don't think she murdered him.




Then you're living in cloud cuckoo land as there's zero evidence cops have "executed" anyone and again hyperbole doesn't help your case here.
Last I heard, dead bodies are evidence.
MrWookie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 04:16 PM   #7249
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson View Post
So? They’re still not legally allowed to perform summary executions.
Nor should they be nor have they so it's all good, my living under a bridge friend.
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2020, 04:20 PM   #7250
corpus vile
veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Dunwich
Posts: 3,482
Re: the murder of George Floyd by the Minneapolis Police

Quote:
Originally Posted by wet work View Post
ahh The naivete of someone who has apparently never heard on off-duty cop casually fantasizing at a family cookout about being judge dredd lol and then a couple hours later jumping in their truck decorated with Punisher stickers
Which still isn't evidence of police committing "summary executions" and is in fact a hypothesis you simply made up. (Props on the Dredd & Punisher references though, they admittedly get your made up hypothesis deserved cool points.)
corpus vile is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2008-2020, Two Plus Two Interactive
 
 
Poker Players - Streaming Live Online