Tase him in the balls and then put him in the car. Have one of the rookie cops video it, add some cool music, and post it as a Tik Tok.

Yes he was uncooperative, but that happens all the time and usually no one dies. I don't understand how anyone thinks the video changes anything. Before seeing it I would have guessed he resisted a lot harder than he actually did.

Why, it's almost as if he's arguing in bad faith.

Scratch that. Reading the charging document Chauvin is facing the Felony Murder version of MN's Murder 2 statute which doesn't require proving intent.

https://www.startribune.com/read-the...vin/570991071/

I'm assuming the underlying crime is unjustified/excessive use of force.

yeah we went over this dozens of pages ago before the charges were even filed. legally i still dont see how the get murder 2. i think chauvin absolutely intended to make floyd suffer as much as he could, but i dont think he intended his death, and i dont think you can make excessive force a felony just by calling it assault(3rd degree) that results in bodily harm, there has gotta be some loopholes there.

also i find felony murder as a concept appalling.

Sorry but you're conflating individual racism with systemic racism. Nobody is saying Asians don't face racism. I poited out how Irish in Australia faced prejudice re hiring as recetly as 20112- "No Irish need apply". But that's an individual employer it's not systeic Australian racism.

Of course you'll have racism throughout and within the system in the form of individual racist cops, soldiers firefighters, public workers etc but there isn't a concentrated effort by the system to suppress minorities. From 1992-2002 LA had successive black police chiefs and we're not talking about "some black police", blacks are a part of the system as well as whites and have been for decades. Black cops would never make police chief inn such a systemic institutional racist set up. Nor could they successfully enter the political arena. But they have.

Yes there are organisations for white supremacy and imo the alt right are gaining worrying grounds over your way. You also have black separatist and supremacist groups. As I said you all seem to dislike each other over your way and I'm not trying to be disrespectful saying this, it is what it is.

I'm not interested in Irish Americans sorry. The Irish indentured servants sent to the Caribbean peacefully coexisted with black slaves and intermarried with them.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-...isle-1.2610681



No not really, the English operated a divide and rule policy which garnered loyalists and the Irish were British subjects back then. Different context. Nor would I expect any English today to harbour guilt over things their ancestors did centuries ago, that's just ludicrous.

Yeah sure you did, you totally coulda proved it but decide not to even though you like totally could yaddayadda

It's a new day!

That's awesome

I believe that in general conservatives are more likely to INITIALLY give the cops the benefit of the doubt.

But as more facts become known, conservatives will typically re-evaluate their views based on new data.

I'm unaware of any "publicly known" conservative who isn't appalled by what Chauvin did to Mr. Floyd.

If you have a link proving otherwise, please share it.*

*Maybe David Duke?

Well how convenient

The comparisons are a lot closer than you're giving them credit for. Centuries ago?? At what point did everything become a non-issue in that regard? Genuinely curious. Bonus points if you can understand the dynamic and why indentured servants might respond differently than free people in those scenarios

The racism is still there on a system wide basis my man. As the story goes the CivilRights Act solved everything from a legal perspective and from ~that point on everything was fine. Except that's not close to actual reality on the ground. And it's literally right in front of your eyes if you take even a quick spin thru parts of the system.

There are a few 2+2 legends who aren't the least bit appalled in this very thread. If it's so easy to find them here where they're outnumbered I can only imagine how easy it would be if I were to visit one of their hives.



But sure, particular case is bad and even if a popular conservative is fine with a white cop murdering a black cop in public, he's not going to say so.
But he will turn around and criticize the protests. Perhaps even call the protestors terrorists.

The old country types have no idea.
Immigrants in the US have always been pitted against each other and African Americans for jobs. And since we don't enjoy the welfare state they do it has always caused friction.

I'm actually proud of how far we've come in my lifetime regarding racism but every American knows what 'white privilege' is and we all know there is still a bunch of systemic racism expressed in various ways. It's probably not going to stop AA's from getting good jobs the way it once did but it will effect their interactions with police. For sure.

Such as?

Please name names. Thanks.





So, at least we agree you have NO evidence. We just disagree about WHY there is no evidence.

I haven't found anyone calling peaceful protestors "terrorists." Looking forward to a real-life example (not including anonymous internet posters).

Edit: I doxxed myself in this Forum some time ago.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...-letter-302552

Trump's lawyer.

"The letter is signed by Trump's former lawyer John Dowd and addressed to “Jim” in a probable reference to former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis. It lambasted the former Pentagon chief after he called out Trump on Wednesday for threatening a military response to protests that have engulfed cities across the country. In his letter, Dowd referred to a group of protesters who were violently forced out of Washington's Lafayette Square on Monday as “terrorists using idle hate … to burn and destroy.”

“They were abusing and disrespecting the police when the police were preparing the area for the 1900 curfew,” the letter said."

But even if it were only people itt, they'd still count.
Or are you going to argue that conservatives don't have the right to speak for themselves and must have an authority confirm their opinions ?

This is pretty standard procedure for dealing with counterfeit reports. Obviously if they had one or a few reports of similar people using counterfeit bills in many locations they would handle it slightly differently.

I am not sure any police procedure calls for murder of a person is accused of passing a single $20 bill.

I am curious if they even had enough evidence that George Floyd committed a potential crime. Seems like they have a single eye witness report. I am not aware of any other evidence. Seems odd that they would be enacting an arrest l (I am sure a 37 year old blonde soccer mom would have also been arrested too hopped up on benzos and red wine) let alone an arrest, trial, conviction, punishment and carrying out that punishment.

This is a problem with police all too often. They create their own expected results through their violence, aggressiveness and racism. In Minneapolis terms this would have to rank as a priority 3 call, which is the lowest tier of call. Average response time, 28 minutes. I don’t know how long they took to get there but having four plus offices responding to a report of someone passing a counterfeit $20 bill is pretty amazing. I am interested to see the crime stats for that area as the police must be ki... doing really well to have those kinds of resources available for that kind of call.

Edit: I came across some information that might explain the sizable police response. A clerk at the convenience store called the police about George Floyd, another worker than saw Floyd being murdered and called the owner. The owner instructed him to call the police on the police. Could this be why some of the other police watched a murder and did noting?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.van...ighborhood/amp

I think you make a valid point there.

Just as there are professing vegetarians who secretly eat a ham sandwich once in a while, there are professing conservatives who can take positions that are inconsistent with their stated philosophy. A Conservative should always support the rights of citizens to assemble publicly in a peaceful manner.

Your point is well taken.

The only amazing thing is you wrote all that knowing the consequences for those actions were him being murdered. You seem totally cool with that.

They had him handcuffed and on the ground. As lagtight mentioned police have a lot of training and experience for handling these situations. It would even be reasonable to say this is one of the few things they are actually trained for and capable of dealing with on a regular basis. Chauvin was a very experienced officer. Even if we ignore his participation in the murders of three other minorities in his career we do have to question his competency to be a police officer. I would argue if four police officers can not get one handcuffed guy into some sort of transportation without murdering them, they should not have had the job.

This next bit is important because it is where the racism comes in. Because Chauvin viewed the victim as less than human, it was easy to treat him with total disregard to the circumstance and consequence. This is the core of the problem. It is not police yelling “Die n-word” it is them viewing people of color as lesser and have all their actions follow accordingly. There was no justification to kneel on his neck for eight seconds, let alone eight minutes and forty six seconds. However in Officer Chauvin’s mind George Floyd was a wild dog who needed to be taken in so who cares what happens to him in the process.

What the video showed was incompetency, racism, hatred, and indifference for human life because it was viewed as inferior.

Just wanted to say this made me laugh nice and hard. I tried to laugh for 8:46 but only made it 2:03. 8:46 is a really long time to laugh, as it is for a number of other things, if I had to guess.

Thanks for the laugh, it was a power punch to the funny bone.

Keep abiding by principle and they're going to take your conservative card one day.....

No systemic racism at play there.....

I think they already did!

Why can't you think Chauvin is horrible AND criticize the protests?

wet work... You don't know anything about Ireland. So don't talk about it.

Most criminals are a bit dim and they do things like that all the time.

They had grounds to stop him for questioning. What seems to happen, in many cases, is the suspect then acts up and the whole thing escalates due to the 'us and them' mentality. But this wouldn't excuse the police officers' actions in the Floyd case, because of continued pressure to the airway after the subject became non-responsive. Hence the murder charge. (And the officers who failed to stop Chauvin are no better.)