Maybe stop training police to fire as quickly as possible at black human shapes so that when they're under immense stress they don't insta fall back on their training and fire at black human shapes as quickly as possible.

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time for another extended break from wtf this sub-forum is

When's the civil war starting, guys?

Just a Euro checking in

Being charged with something is a lot different than being charged with the crime you committed. Being charged is a lot different than being convicted.

That's an odd assumption to make. Why do you think I don't care about criminal drug gangs? Is it because I don't let you bring them up as a red herring to distract from police brutality?

Do you think it's not possible to care about more than one issue?

I think it's possible to support police reform and support laws/social programs that have been proven to reduce the power and influence of criminal gangs, including criminal drug gangs. Are these ideas mutually exclusive, and if so could you please explain how they are mutually exclusive?

Finally, I'd like to reiterate Wookie's question, which you must have missed:

I'm tired of deadly riots in response to trashy criminals dying

Breonna Taylor was not a criminal. She was only suspected of being one because Louisville PD used bad (probably fabricated and not good faith mistake) evidence to secure the warrant that led to her death.

Don't get involved with illegal stuff you dont get a warrant it's just a social media meme that she was just some clueless angel

It's predictable that the more banksy art there is of my views and the more pro athletes wear a signaly mask the more correct my views on criminal law are.

If you continue to think things like Breonna Taylor is a trashy criminal without actually knowing who she is, nor bothering to learn the facts, then you're going to get deadly riots, endlessly, until you change

What people don't understand is that NOBODY likes criminals.
Poor communities especially WANT to trust the police.
They NEED them, provided they SHOW UP and also DO THEIR JOB.

But this is not what's happening. They ARE NOT doing their job, because corrupt cops ARE NOT being prosecuted. They're being protected.

I CANNOT trust the police if I myself know that they are going to back a bad cop instead of me and MY RIGHTS.

I don't ****ing pay taxes to be screwed by one cop and have that cop backed by another one. I PAY THEM BOTH TO PROTECT ME

The system CANNOT FUNCTION without public trust

Your attitude only makes that WORSE not better

What I want is laws to change. I want policy to change. You are pointing a someone, calling them trashy and etc, and ASSUMING that it is solely a result of abdication of personal responsibility

EVERYONE agrees that personal responsibility is a DIRECT result of outcomes in your life

But this is NOT ALWAYS the case. If every generation, a main or multiple figures of a family unit, or just any relationship in general, is thrown in jail for smoking weed or some other bullshit, then progress is RUINED

If every Black male in jail right now for holding weed was never thrown in jail, then at a minimum, some would be involved and contributory to their family unit, or relationships in general. They will be a factor in their kid's life. They will have the opportunity to get educated and employed

That's what people don't get. You just look at a person and extrapolate to the rest, assuming a whole bunch of **** that isn't even true, and say "look, they did this to themselves"

This may be correct for the individual, but it is the INCORRECT way to look at it. If you continually think something incorrectly, then the result is not progress, but a perpetuation of a problem, with other problems compounding on top of the mistake

For example, if a country is bombed every year in the same place, then it is IMPOSSIBLE to form a stable economy there. It is IMPOSSIBLE to make any progress, no matter how responsible, educated, and intelligent anyone is in that place. It's getting bombed, there is no hope

If you cannot change laws and policy to remove those in place that perpetuate the chain of poverty, then you will get exactly more of what you have now

If you decriminalize weed, or enforce REHAB instead of JAIL, then people thrown in jail will now instead be thrown in rehab, and we know this is a better outcome. But this is not going to be possible if millions of people like you either can't or refuse to understand that

Generation after generation is how families and communities build stabilization and wealth and progress. That is why white privilege is a thing

Do you think outcomes, shown over generations, would look like they do now if Black people weren't denied access to the GI Bill?

Do you think Drew Brees would yap about how awesome his granddaddy is and imply "all lives matter" if he understood that other soldiers WHO FOUGHT BESIDE said awesome granddaddy were denied access to the GI Bill, so they couldn't get educated and employed gainfully, nearly to the same potential Drew Brees' white granddaddy?

People are just ignorant and don't ****ing know anything. You just point at a criminal and use level one thinking, not knowing (or worse, choosing to ignore conveniently) a single ****ing thing about history, economics, or just straight up reason, logic, and reality

Black people not having access to things like the ****ing water fountain and the GI Bill while White people do is a HUGE drag on the economy. A whole what, 15% of the population we basically said **** you and keep Ruby Bridges out of our schools...

That doesn't just magically go away in terms of outcomes over time

Does that excuse riots? NO, of course not. But riots are a function of what is happening right now. It is a function of remembering that the police used to hose Black people on bridges despite PEACEFUL protests

The goal is to REDUCE the number of people who end up relegated to lives completely shut out from abundance. That doesn't happen when you ****ing point at someone and assume they're trashy and criminal, it happens when you start thinking about WHY the incident occurred in the first place and WHO is responsible for the outcome

Then you will see an amalgamation of all the factors that led to it, from the individual actors, to the institutions, to the laws/policy, to the history that brewed up the ingredients for the final product, the outcome, which is someone dying needlessly and a lot of ****ing people pissed about it

He’s right tho:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chi...outputType=amp

Unless you’re one of them FAKE NEWS types. Then ymmv I spose.

Roflmao

Wookie’s question assumes that criminal drug gangs are (1) legally obliged to wear body cams; and (2) routinely engage in encounters in which they have to return fire; and (3) aren’t committing felonies ex ante which inhibits their ability to claim anyone they kill has been killed justifiably.

It’s a really dumb question, and it’s indicative of your let’s say “diminished” understanding that it had to be spelled out.

Addressing your other weak argument: the fact that you and your ilk incessantly screech for lower funding for police and for less aggressive policing makes it clear how little you actually care about curbing the impact of criminal drug gangs’ violence in black and brown communities.

Addressing your only salient point: yes, police reform and improving outcomes for black and brown communities ravaged by criminal drug gangs are not mutually exclusive. HOWEVER, I would be very surprised if the kind of reform that would ultimately improve outcomes in these communities involved defunding police and limiting their aggressive tactics: both ideas you obviously ascribe to because it’s all your team permits.

My reform would involve arming every officer with weapons that can immediately neutralize violent and erratic criminals. These weapons would replace the cops traditional weapons and would be used in all but the most dangerous of situations. I also agree with reforms that involve massively increasing body armor budgets so that officers need not use deadly weapons while not increasing their risk of death when engaging in highly dangerous situations.

I think cops should be required to wear body cams when they are executing a search warrant.

Are you blind? It's already happening. wtf do you think CHAZ is? Or the looting? You think it's just going to stop at community businesses? They already march up to the White House and prominent politicians' actual homes with their actual families in them

Years ago nobody would've thought to take a vehicle and just drive into a crowd of human beings just to kill people either

Years ago nobody would've thought to burn down a police precinct, commandeer it, and form an apparent autonomous state

But here we are. So yeah, I would say it's entirely within the realm of possibility some ****ed up **** happens, like a week's worth of police killings + the election of Trump for 4 more years, and trying to install a SC judge in the very manner that was once considered something we're not supposed to be doing

Wait until people learn that it's not just about racism, but the rich/poor dynamic mixed in. Maybe they discover it on their own, maybe the media starts hammering home the concept

The burning down of police districts and community businesses aren't going to be the only things burning down...

Cops won't be the only targets. Hell, politicians have already been targets. Someone tried to mow down a bunch of them on a ****ing baseball field years ago. You don't think they'll just go after CEOs or politicians on their own lawn?

People are ****ing crazy and do insane **** all the time. This would be par for the course. Some of those people aren't even crazy, they're arriving at a logical conclusion that violence is warranted and that it IS justice, because there is no other way

You may not agree with it, I may not agree with it, this board may not, but we don't matter. The public will do what it wants, to itself and to each other, whether you like it or not

Change the laws, change the people

I agree unless there is reason to believe the property is vacant/abandoned.

Then tell the cops to stop murdering people.

Why?

Body cam footage can be evidence of whether officers stayed within the authority granted by warrants. (Was something in plain sight for example) and they may be wrong that the location is vacant.

In Breonna Taylor’s case, they were wrong about number of people in the apartment.

Cops love body cams, more than 99% of the time it clears law enforcement of wrong doing.

That cops routinely get away with murder despite it being on camera is not the winning argument you think it is.

I don't care about the horse (oh noes someone call PETA), just laughing at whatever chain of events led to harkin thinking this Nazi is someone he should listen to and share posts from

I don't really disagree with most of what you're saying--but humans/Americans didn't just start doing stuff like this recently Our history is filled with lots of stuff along similar lines(maybe not exactly the same but surely similar). And there are always people around that say--oh come on no one ever did stuff like that back in the day--but they did whether it's ~30/40/50yrs or ~100/200yrs etc

Some very bold assertions you're making. Care to provide any evidence that aggressive police tactics reduce criminal activity and/or improve outcomes in impoverished areas? Or are you just arguing based on your feels? (If you don't have any sources no worries, I'll link you some of mine. Unfortunately for you I haven't been able to find anything backing up your claims )

I'm also not sure how body armor would prevent a tragedy like George Floyd. Are you asserting that if the officer who murdered Floyd was equipped with body armor he would have chosen not to kneel on Floyd's neck until he expired?

Officers that are heavily equipped with defensive armor have much less to fear from non-compliant arrestees.

I don’t know if it would have made a difference specifically in the Floyd case, but I think it would make a big difference in the no knock warrant cases.

It should be self-evident that police that have their hands tied in terms of tactics will be less successful at neutralizing criminal threats effectively and safely.