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09-17-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime
democrats were the original threat to black people and that has not changed.
lol this dude just woke up after time traveling straight from 1960 and hasn't yet educated himself on the Southern Strategy or the Civil Rights Act, yet still thinks his opinions about politics are worth sharing
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09-17-2020 , 06:13 PM
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can you educate me some here?
I'll be you can work through it on your own.

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by 'you guys' i assume you mean the right end of the political spectrum
See? You got this.

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how much about Malcom X do you know? the modern day democrat just assumes every black person is liberal
Wrong.

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The man flat out loathed the democratic party. you need to remember when he was a child the democratic party was in cahoots with the KKK, doing their absolute best to MURDER every BLACK republican on the planet.
Did those pre-Southern Strategy Democrats have liberal or conservative views on race relations? Think carefully.


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so, what i guess im saying is i don't understand why the right needs to appropriate Malcolm?
Because you guys on the right don't have any interesting conservative intellectuals of your own to trot out. The left has Malcolm X and James Baldwin, you have.... William F. Buckley? Hence this constant game of conservative Republicans appropriating people like X, MLK, Frederick Douglass and pretending they would ever have been on your side of the aisle.

Notice how this never goes the other way? The left doesn't ever pretend that the John Birch society were actually hardcore liberals. That's partially because they're operating in good faith, but also because they just don't have to do so.
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09-17-2020 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sublime

i can live with inclusive nationalism and shaky healthcare. i can't and won't, live in a socialistic nightmare.
Where is the socialistic nightmare option ?

All we have is oligarchy door number one or door number two.

When we get the the point where socialism is an option you might start to worry about issues that it may cause. But now ? It's just nonsensical to even talk about it.
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09-17-2020 , 07:08 PM
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can you educate me some here?




the wool has been pulled over our eyes for multiple generations now. for most of my life i was told republicans were awful racist people who only cared about Jesus, football and keeping blacks down.



i can live with inclusive nationalism and shaky healthcare. i can't and won't, live in a socialistic nightmare.
If you don't realize all those racist Southern Democrat blue collar people have basically all switched over to the R party you haven't been paying attention--like at all--for decades lol Ironically enough it started right around the time we started to try to address the inequities in our system wrt black people--and right around the time MalcolmX died--he lived thru a completely different reality up to that point. But to try to say he would be a fan of (and especially today's)conservatives is pretty disingenuous as well imo.

If I want to hear black people referred to with names from aryan prison gang lingo--all I need to do is go hang out with all the conservative guys I went to hs with Open your eyes. Anyone who argues otherwise is completely ignorant or simply lying. There are no other options. Period.

The social democracies in Europe are not socialistic nightmares. Stop being frigging ridiculous.

Hey CV--perfect example of an R^^ calling you a commie

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09-17-2020 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by corpus vile
It is garbled and I'm not sure why you're reiterating your glaring double standard. You're saying criminals deserve to be murdered? You're justifying George Floyd's death by such a rationale.
Again, just bc your reading skills are poor does not mean my statement is not clear. Maybe look up the word "latter" if it's so hard for you to understand.
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09-17-2020 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
If you don't realize all those racist Southern Democrat blue collar people have basically all switched over to the R party you haven't been paying attention--like at all--for decades lol Ironically enough it started right around the time we started to try to address the inequities in our system wrt black people--and right around the time MalcolmX died--he lived thru a completely different reality up to that point. But to try to say he would be a fan of (and especially today's)conservatives is pretty disingenuous as well imo.

If I want to hear black people referred to with names from aryan prison gang lingo--all I need to do is go hang out with all the conservative guys I went to hs with Open your eyes. Anyone who argues otherwise is completely ignorant or simply lying. There are no other options. Period.

The social democracies in Europe are not socialistic nightmares. Stop being frigging ridiculous.

Hey CV--perfect example of an R^^ calling you a commie
Yeah, Democrats were all southerners. That would be a lie, of course.
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09-17-2020 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Yeah, Democrats were all southerners. That would be a lie, of course.
The only lie here is you falsely putting words into his mouth (SNUCK PREMISES! FALSE NARRATIVES!) and pretending he said "Democrats were all southerners". Typical IHIV
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09-17-2020 , 09:01 PM
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Yeah, Democrats were all southerners. That would be a lie, of course.
That's why I qualified it by saying -Southern- Democrats Prior to our country being more homogenized/connected(but it's still somewhat true in some ways) political parties were essentially collections of various regional interests etc.

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09-18-2020 , 03:10 AM
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Again, just bc your reading skills are poor does not mean my statement is not clear. Maybe look up the word "latter" if it's so hard for you to understand.
You gave three scenarios and then used the word latter, which is normally used to demote a second option, maybe it's you who should look words up. This is one of several reasons you come across as garbled.

You also have zero justification condemning any police shooting if you're gonna opine that cops deserve to be murdered if they're corrupt.

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09-18-2020 , 03:14 AM
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We're still talking past each other. The initial response would be almost entirely uninformed about the details so the details cannot be very relevant to those protests. As time goes by and the details become better known then that changes.
How do you know they'd be almost entirely uniformed? Info was out in no time.
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09-18-2020 , 05:56 AM
Solving racism in police units is simple. Just make it so that you must be black as a requirement to be a police officer. Now police can’t be racist.

We did it guys! We solved racism!!


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09-18-2020 , 06:33 AM
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How do you know they'd be almost entirely uniformed? Info was out in no time.
I don't know. It's my view, based on how things normally are, that people who react quickly, are initially reacting to what they expect (the general case that's currently high profile) far more than the particular detail which they are commonly unaware of.

That also makes much more sense in this particular case then the idea people were aware of the details and making some informed reaction to those. [You may notice I'm doing the same thing in that my initial 'default' view is that it's more likely people reacted as I expect (i.e to the general rather than the details) and that that default view will change in this case if detail emerges demonstrating they were in fact well aware of the details of that case before their initial reaction.]
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09-18-2020 , 07:26 AM
It seems a knee jerk confirmation bias reaction though which doesn't help protesters cause even if there are issues worth protesting over.
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09-18-2020 , 02:42 PM
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Solving racism in police units is simple. Just make it so that you must be black as a requirement to be a police officer. Now police can’t be racist.

We did it guys! We solved racism!!


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not only are you attempting to pass this daniel tosh bit as your own.. but you aren't even the first person to steal it in this thread..
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09-18-2020 , 05:55 PM



https://ncri.io/wp-content/uploads/N...ept-1049am.pdf
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NETWORK-ENABLED ANARCHY:
How Militant Anarcho-Socialist Networks Use Social Media to Instigate Widespread Violence Against Political Opponents and Law Enforcement


Our primary research question was whether memes and codewords, private or fringe online forums, and hybrid real-world/online militia—the three characteristic tactics that support outbreaks of extremist violence for both Jihadi and Boogaloo extremism—are also prevalent in anti-fascist and anarcho-socialist groups.

Throughout the research, we examined whether the same extremist themes and actions that are characteristic of both Jihadi and Boogaloo extremists—themes such as violent revolution, martyrdom, and having a utopian narrative, and actions such as terror attacks—are also found in extremist groups espousing anti-fascism and anarcho-socialism.

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While this report is suggestive rather than conclusive, these data hint that insurgent behavior, stochastic terror and even attacks on vital infrastructure may be fomenting, and even indicate the possibility of a mass-casualty event. The need for regular, reliable and responsible reporting with methods such as those used in this briefing with similar computational techniques is now imperative.
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“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”― Nietzsche
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09-18-2020 , 06:51 PM
Seems like a strenuous attempt to classify the Boogaloo movement as "left-wing" violence, when by all available evidence it is mostly online groups and armed militias worshipping people like Timothy McWeigh and the majority of adherent groups could be readily classified as white supremacists or ultra-nationalists.

Sure, it's a mixed bag of internet weirdos and violent extremists so loosely organized that a lot of things can probably crop up, but to call it "anarcho-socialist" is just bizarre since the existence of such ideology within the movement seems almost non-existent. I suspect if you start spreading the word that "private property is theft" and "all people are born equal" on Boogaloo message boards or twitter feeds, you're probably not going to become an ideological center-piece.

And yes, these things do matter. The Boogaloo movement recruits heavily from white supremacists and armed militias, to go around classifying it based on outliers or falsehoods because it is politically expedient equals looking in the wrong place for threats. It's a tough enough movement to understand, being formed as much by modern communication technology as ideology, while simultaneously being very adept at "ghost skin" strategy or masking rhetoric. Putting blinders on will make it impossible.

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09-19-2020 , 08:45 AM
the lefty socialist movement has memes and so do the boogaloo and jihadi movements. therefore the anarcho-socialists will be violent just like the others. even though they have not engaged in any violence yet.
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09-20-2020 , 07:49 PM
Harvard's first black tenured economic professor on the movement.

obviously a smart man, saying common sense things. god bless black men standing up to the madness that will end up destroying their neighborhoods if the maniacs have their way.

i only made it twenty minutes (darn smartphones!) but some of you fellas might try seeing things through the lens of a supposed victim who went on to achieve success most of us will never sniff.

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09-20-2020 , 08:26 PM
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standing up to the madness that will end up destroying their neighborhoods if the maniacs have their way.
Weird that so many of them are black people that you apparently think are intent on destroying their own neighborhoods? Seems like black voices only matter to you to the extent you can take your own deplorable views and find one of the tiny minority of black Republicans to echo them, ignoring the much larger majority who think you're full of **** just like we do.
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09-20-2020 , 09:42 PM
my deplorable views are this:

1-the left is using the media to create issues that. at the very least, aren't as big as we are lead to believe. when you resist arrest you are putting yourself in a very dangerous situation. we live in a massive country and some of those situations end up going bad. it happens to whites, latinos, and once a leap year an asian.

2-black people have the same rights as everyone else. the deck is not stacked against them and ive said it before but nothing makes a room shine more than a successful black man, of which there are plenty. brining up social atrocities from decades ago does nothing for the people who live in an entirely different society other than create a mental framework of inferiority. no doubt in my mind there are black men who are doing nothing right now but focusing on themselves and their families ignoring these claims that they are oppressed and making the most of themselves in a country which i still believe is the best in the world.

3-black people don't need a societies help and imo any governmental help makes things worse. they are not biologically different than anyone else and in todays day and age their results in life are the results of the decisions they make, up to and including resisting police arrest.

4-the democratic party is led by terrible, terrible people and virtually all of their policies are poison served in a pink can. im not a well educated man but i've read enough books to know socialism is a terrible idea and in my forty years on earth ive seen nothing but an outright push by the left to turn our society into a godless one dependent on big brother to tell you whats right or wrong, male or female, up or down.

its been an absolute pleasure to dive into the world of black men who dont agree with the main stream agenda. if only you could hurl the label racist at them. instead you just think of them as misinformed, or more likely, pay zero attention to what they say. ive spent a lifetime assuming the left was good for us and republicans are nothing but god fearing lunatics. little did i realize that while i may not support either party, at least one seems to have a modicum of common sense. when the final fight comes down to Christian values vs communistic ideals, even atheists who actually use their brains should know at this point in history which one is superior.

i hope the air quality is good where you're at.

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09-20-2020 , 09:57 PM
Well, one of your big problems is drinking the kool-aid on the socialism thing. Seeing commies behind every idea meant to benefit society overall is exactly what the people feeding you that message want you to think. And it appears to have worked
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09-20-2020 , 10:24 PM
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Well, one of your big problems is drinking the kool-aid on the socialism thing. Seeing commies behind every idea meant to benefit society overall is exactly what the people feeding you that message want you to think. And it appears to have worked
my brother i am liberal minded on many issues. drug laws are terrible. treatment for mentally ill has dried up, same with drug addicts.

that doesnt change my view. the left wants to turn society into one devoid of truth. you call a man sir and you are subject to arrest because he identifies as a lady. a man (warrant out for sex crime) resist arrest, reaches into a vehicles knowing guns were on him and gets shot. now there's systematic racism everywhere and ive gotten to where i am (which is lol in itself) because im white, conviently ignorning the election of a black president, more black billionaires every day and a society that views black athletes as gods (Jordan is my guy)..... if i say otherwise its a hate crime. thats how you want to live? it sure seems like that sort of future isn't far off if the current trends continue.

up is down, left is right. i'd rather live in a nationalistic environment(america #1) that at least preaches something other than victimhood and social aid.

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09-20-2020 , 10:33 PM
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the left wants to turn society into one devoid of truth.
Your president is a pathological liar who has told in excess of 20,000 lies since he took office. Last I checked, all his supporters and enablers weren't on the left.
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09-20-2020 , 10:36 PM
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Your president is a pathological liar who has told in excess of 20,000 lies since he took office. Last I checked, all his supporters and enablers weren't on the left.
have i not made it clear that i view the president as the lesser of two evils? both parties are self sustaining conglomerates of power, controlled by a small segment of the population. a problem exacerbated by our worsening consumeristic habits, giving these soulless corporations all of our money in thanks for distracting us 24/7 with tech.

if not, that is 100% my viewpoint.

also, he's either your president as well or you don't live here in which case i offer my condolences for missing out on the nationality lottery.
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09-20-2020 , 10:39 PM
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have i not made it clear that i view the president as the lesser of two evils?

if not, that is 100% my viewpoint.

also, he's either your president as well or you don't live here in which case i offer my condolences for missing out on the nationality lottery.
Lol you couldn't pay me to go over there, but congrats on getting brainwashed into believing that USA #1 is the greatest place to live on Earth.
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