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03-10-2024 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
You got a pm warning about watching the insults for telling a poster he was "****ing pathetic". Two weeks later you received a temp ban for telling the same poster "Christ you're an idiot".

I don't know how things are modded over in sports, but if you really can't discuss topics here without resorting to insults like those, you may well be better off not posting here.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...89&postcount=1

it was fun
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03-10-2024 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
It's a private company with its own terms and conditions that everyone must agree to abide by in order to register. Among lots of other things, they include:

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You acknowledge that Two Plus Two does not pre-screen Your Content, and that we have the right, but not the obligation, in our sole discretion to modify, transmit over various networks, refuse, or move any of Your Content that is available on the Service.
So clearly posts can be edited, deleted or posters banned by the site whether they happen to like it or agree with site policies. This is hardly a unique aspect of twoplustwo.
Sure. But no one here is arguing that moderators don't have the right to moderate how they see fit, browser. People are arguing for more lenient moderation.

This is a forum with a couple of dozen of regular posters, not hundreds. It doesn't require heavy handed moderation, and your attempt to mod in this fashion is what's causing many of the problems, just as it has on other online politics forums, as well as a lot of extra work for you.
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03-10-2024 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
"valenzuela - defending the 2022 Qatar World Cup bid"

Harsh but fair.
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03-10-2024 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
That procedure is way too time intensive for a mod to possibly follow.
Just think about how much time you would have if you weren't busy defending your unreasonableness in this thread.
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03-10-2024 , 02:44 PM
I don't know how you even have the time to do all this moderation, much less defending the moderation decisions. Just posting complaints in this thread takes a lot of time and gets exhausting!
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03-10-2024 , 02:46 PM
It's almost as if there aren't enough new posts to occupy ourselves with or for moderators to scan with a fine toothcomb for any hint of rule breaches.
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03-10-2024 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
I care about twoplustwo as a whole and don’t think, even with a small audience, the politics forum should be a race to the bottom. I actually think that the small number of posters here is a good indication that we shouldn’t let the same loudest 10 voices drown out the politics forum.
Sure but the way to prevent a race to the bottom is decent, non overbearing moderation and that's what's been lacking.
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03-10-2024 , 03:16 PM
I don’t understand what the issue is here. Moderation seems standard.
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03-10-2024 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I was actually responding to both, but just hit the quote button on the latest one.
You addressed literally nothing I said in the longer post of which I’m curious what your response is, so no you didn’t respond to both

Just flatly reply with ‘whatever I do what I want!’ and we can call it a day
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03-10-2024 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Yeah then you have to expect a lot of pushback I'm afraid. People (rightly imo) see their posts as their property and don't like others editing or deleting them,,,,,,,

That's a dictatorship.
I delete posts where I feel a direct personal attack is improper.

If you don't want it deleted, don't call someone an moran, idiot, stupid-as-schith etc. Simply leave that language out of a post!

Easy Peasy.

Dictatorship...... lololololol
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03-10-2024 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
You addressed literally nothing I said in the longer post of which I’m curious what your response is, so no you didn’t respond to both

Just flatly reply with ‘whatever I do what I want!’ and we can call it a day
Let's back up a bit first. Are you arguing that calling another poster ****ing pathetic, being warned, and then calling him an idiot are not violations of the site rules, that you do not consider those personal attacks or insults? Or are you arguing that yes, they are, but because you have determined by his answers (that you consider unsatisfactory) that he is, in fact, ****ing pathetic and an idiot, and therefore that you should have immunity from mod action for those comments? Or is it your position that yes, your comments warranted a ban, but because some other poster may have insulted a poster and not got banned that therefore you should not have been banned either?

So is it your position that you didnt break the rules; that you did but it's OK; or that you did but someone else did too and didnt get banned, so you shouldnt have either?
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03-10-2024 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
I don't know how you even have the time to do all this moderation, much less defending the moderation decisions. Just posting complaints in this thread takes a lot of time and gets exhausting!
You'll save time if you quit posting the same thing over and over.
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03-10-2024 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
You'll save time if you quit posting the same thing over and over.
no u
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03-10-2024 , 04:01 PM
I very clearly said fine, I got banned

I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about

The post that you banned me for was preceded by boba correctly calling lozen out for being a liar just saying **** just to say it and lozen responding by coming up with brand new lies and not owning or addressing the lies he was called out on

I, exasperated by reading this nonsense lozen chose to spew about a state I live in, called him ****ing pathetic for pivoting from one lie to another without owning that his first was unsubstantiated bile

I, in turn, got banned for a week

Lozen exists without issue or deterrence

Defend yourself or admit you just don’t care. It’s fine if you don’t care, I just want to read you say it
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03-10-2024 , 04:16 PM
I have never seen lozen lie.

whenever someone said lozen was lying, actually they were lying.
(somewhat)

so there is that. libtards gonna lib (and lie)
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03-10-2024 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
no u

donk is consistently trolling and being unreasonable. the other posters are unreasonable too. all they have are baseless accusations, without ever pinpointing to an actual example or at anything. this is pathetic.

check this out there are dozens of people banned for trolling, probably more like hundreds. https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...89&postcount=1
the current mods dont ban anybody for trolling, not for anything other than blatantly disrespecting the mods and rules.
if you were a mod you would do the exact same. all hypocrites as per usual.
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03-10-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
I very clearly said fine, I got banned

I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about

The post that you banned me for was preceded by boba correctly calling lozen out for being a liar just saying **** just to say it and lozen responding by coming up with brand new lies and not owning or addressing the lies he was called out on

I, exasperated by reading this nonsense lozen chose to spew about a state I live in, called him ****ing pathetic for pivoting from one lie to another without owning that his first was unsubstantiated bile

I, in turn, got banned for a week

Lozen exists without issue or deterrence

Defend yourself or admit you just don’t care. It’s fine if you don’t care, I just want to read you say it
Lozen gave answers you didnt like. That you thought were untrue. Bobo managed to respond to those without any personal attacks or name calling. You, instead, chose to just call him names. You attacked the person, not the argument. It's not against policy to state opinions that arent backed up by facts. There is no requirement for posters to provide answers that you find satisfactory.
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03-10-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
I very clearly said fine, I got banned

I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about

The post that you banned me for was preceded by boba correctly calling lozen out for being a liar just saying **** just to say it and lozen responding by coming up with brand new lies and not owning or addressing the lies he was called out on

I, exasperated by reading this nonsense lozen chose to spew about a state I live in, called him ****ing pathetic for pivoting from one lie to another without owning that his first was unsubstantiated bile

I, in turn, got banned for a week

Lozen exists without issue or deterrence

Defend yourself or admit you just don’t care. It’s fine if you don’t care, I just want to read you say it

Well your back I am as well from a self imposed ban for my comment to Bobo . I would have accepted a ban if it was given

May I ask what lie I made about the state you live in ?

Also I would assume the reason you were suspended was because it was your second violation after being warned . I also received a warning from the mod for a first offence
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03-10-2024 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I have never seen lozen lie.

whenever someone said lozen was lying, actually they were lying.
(somewhat)

so there is that. libtards gonna lib (and lie)
So ya, ****posts like this seem to be a-ok
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03-10-2024 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
Lozen gave answers you didnt like. That you thought were untrue. Bobo managed to respond to those without any personal attacks or name calling. You, instead, chose to just call him names. You attacked the person, not the argument. It's not against policy to state opinions that arent backed up by facts. There is no requirement for posters to provide answers that you find satisfactory.
Lol my god

Whatever this is pointless and you are a piece of work

Later bro
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03-10-2024 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Just think about how much time you would have if you weren't busy defending your reasonableness in this thread.
FYP.
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03-10-2024 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
Lol my god

Whatever this is pointless and you are a piece of work

Later bro
Later.
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03-10-2024 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen

I’m now asking you to defend why lozen et al get a pass to be deliberately engaging in bad faith and provable lies when what you seem to be asking for of me in response to that is civil discourse that legitimizes them trolling the people they insist on lying about
Because the mods only care about tone and not about substance, this is why the forum has degraded into a shitshow of bad faith trolling and racist garbage. Dozens of regs have explained this problem to them, nothing will come of it.
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03-10-2024 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Because the mods only care about tone and not about substance, this is why the forum has degraded into a shitshow of bad faith trolling and racist garbage. Dozens of regs have explained this problem to them, nothing will come of it.
You would prefer people being banned for expressing opinions you dislike if they go over some artificial threshold you have in mind, is that the point of contention with browser style? Even if it's opinions shared by significant minorities of the population, or even majorities in some countries?

Why?
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03-10-2024 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Luciom
You would prefer people being banned for expressing opinions you dislike if they go over some artificial threshold you have in mind, is that the point of contention with browser style? Even if it's opinions shared by significant minorities of the population, or even majorities in some countries?

Why?
It's the point of contention he's had with every moderator since his buddies were demodded and the former politics forum shut down.
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