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05-24-2024 , 07:38 AM

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No it doesn't and you can't define "normal" as something you've bent out of shape to suit your purposes.

I know you guys make up definitions of words.

Check the history part of the definition.

Palestine never existed before recently

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05-24-2024 , 07:39 AM

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Which groups do you have a burning desire to insult and why?

None on particular but I want to understand why insults to some groups are moderated differently from insults to other groups, and where I can find that in the rules.

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05-24-2024 , 07:40 AM

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Also 1 in 4 Texans aren't Christian.

Yes so? Approx the same proportion of Judaic Israeli

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05-24-2024 , 07:42 AM

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They're ok with me, if they are based on religious beliefs. But anti-semitism is usually defined by hatred of ethnic Hebrews, regardless of whether or not they practice Judaism.
There is a reason it's not called "anti-Judaism". I am certainly anti-Islam, anti-Judaism, and anti-Christian. Islamophobia is a silly term, but I do not believe that have a phobia (irrational fear) of Islam. I have a rational fear of those who practice the same religion as those who, in the name of that religion, crashed a plane into a large building a mile from my house. I am not anti-Hebrew or anti-Arab.

X-phobia in general is leftist framing and as all leftist framing it has to be rejected in full.

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05-24-2024 , 07:42 AM

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The normal use of the word requires common ancestors for several centuries at the very least, more commonly millennia.

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Check the history part of the definition.

No mention of ancestors.

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05-24-2024 , 07:44 AM

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Shared history requires shared ancestry, otherwise it's not your history lol.

A recently immigrated person from Guatemala in Texas doesn't have civil war history in his identity , so no shared history with people whose ancestors where there during the civil war.

Same for Palestine which has recently (last 200 years) huge waves of emigration and immigration, people residing there currently don't share the same ancestors, don't share the same history, so aren't an ethnicity

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05-24-2024 , 07:45 AM

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Not understanding that shared history means shared ancestry is truly incredible

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05-24-2024 , 08:52 AM

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Honest to blog, when I fist head the "Well Palestinian is a nationality so it's not racist to call them bloodthirsty savages" bit I thought it was so immediately stupid on its face that it didn't warrant a response. Like a month later and they're still trotting it out! I sort of have to assume it's bad faith, like I don't think it's humanly possible to be that obtuse and live independently without some sort of live-in assistance.

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05-24-2024 , 09:03 AM

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nope. MY claim is palestinians aren't an ethnicity, so they aren't a protected group. Residents of Gaza are a group, like residents of Texas or New York are. Moderation should be the same for comments on residents of Gaza or residents of New York.

No special treatment of residents in particular area makes sense, that's my claim. Which can very well mean no residents anywhere can be called bloodthirsty savages sure. But in any case, it has nothing to do with racism as... palestinian isn't an ethnicity.

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05-24-2024 , 10:17 AM

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Shared history requires shared ancestry, otherwise it's not your history lol.

Shared history is not the only qualifier there.

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05-24-2024 , 10:18 AM

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Not understanding that shared history means shared ancestry is truly incredible

Not being able to read simple English is completely unsurprising.

To spell out what your own definition says: people who share a culture are an ethnicity.

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05-24-2024 , 10:29 AM

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Not being able to read simple English is completely unsurprising.

To spell out what your own definition says: people who share a culture are an ethnicity.

No, you need common ancestors to share history.

A black person raised by whites who shares his parents culture 100% doesn't become white.

Btw if it's only culture, how can autoctone ghanese people and american black descendant of slaves be considered the same ethnicity???

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05-24-2024 , 10:31 AM

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Read better. CULTURE not HISTORY

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05-24-2024 , 10:35 AM

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An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.

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05-24-2024 , 10:35 AM

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Culture is learned. Ethnicity is 100% inherited and never depend on your choices.

It's *incredible* to claim sharing a culture makes an ethnicity.

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05-24-2024 , 10:36 AM

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Read better. CULTURE not HISTORY

There is HISTORY also in the definition, not only culture.

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05-24-2024 , 10:37 AM

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Culture is learned. Ethnicity is 100% inherited and never depend on your choices.

It's *incredible* to claim sharing a culture makes an ethnicity.

The only incredible thing is someone being unable to retract a nonsensical claim they made.

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05-24-2024 , 10:39 AM

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There is HISTORY also in the definition, not only culture.

lol there's an "or" and a "one".

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or the fact of belonging to one of these groups

So common members of any of those groups constitute an ethnicity, by your own definition.

Now please continue to argue with yourself more.

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05-24-2024 , 10:41 AM

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a large group of people who have the same national, racial, or cultural origins, or the state of belonging to such a group:

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So whether you now like it or not, by your own definition shared culture = ethnicity.

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05-24-2024 , 10:42 AM

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wiki

so according to wiki people born in texas are of texan ethnicity, OR wiki is wrong here, you choose.

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05-24-2024 , 10:43 AM

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So whether you now like it or not, by your own definition shared culture = ethnicity.

Really so a black raised in Italy as italian isn't of black ethnicity and becomes of italian ethnicity? is that how people use that word? really? (btw italian isn't an ethnicity either)

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05-24-2024 , 10:47 AM

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Really so a black raised in Italy as italian isn't of black ethnicity and becomes of italian ethnicity? is that how people use that word? really?

Why not? You think all Italians have the same genetic profile? Lol?

Have you ever had yours checked? If you compared your genetic profile and your white next door neighbour's it would show you both have more genes in common with the black Italian than you do with each other.

Does that shock you?

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05-24-2024 , 10:50 AM

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Why not? You think all Italians have the same genetic profile? Lol?

Have you ever had yours checked?

In fact italian isn't an ethnicity either. Sardinian can be (if enough of your ancestors are sardinians). Most other regions are too mixed up too recently to allow for the use of ethnicity to describe them.

I mean you get it about Israel. Israeli isn't an ethnicity. There are jews, arabs, and a few other ethnic groups in Israel right? now that applies in a lot of cases including palestine.

Rather, for palestine the ethnicity is mostly arab, simply with no actual differentiation allowing to claim they are distinct from many other arabs.

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05-24-2024 , 10:51 AM

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If you compared your genetic profile and your white next door neighbour's it would show you both have more genes in common with the black Italian than you do with each other.

Does that shock you?

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05-24-2024 , 10:56 AM

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If you compared your genetic profile and your white next door neighbour's it would show you both have more genes in common with the black Italian than you do with each other.

Does that shock you?

Your claim is that if the 3 people described run a 23andme , the 2 white people won't be found having more common ancestors? really?

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