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The Moderation Discussion Thread (And I hear him every night, On every street) The Moderation Discussion Thread (And I hear him every night, On every street)

09-20-2022 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Some flames were deleted from the "cancel culture"-thread.
Fwiw, I disagree that my posts containing profanity were "flames"

I stand by the points made in the posts, and was not attacking people in any way, unless you count "This is the ****ing reason I ****ing feel this way" as an attack
09-20-2022 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
A moderator's problem with judging "bad faith" claims is that what one person thinks is bad faith, the other poster could genuinely believe
So?

How is this important?

If I call you an idiot is that ok if I genuinely believe it?

Of course not.

A moderator has a simple binary presence/absence judgment to make, is there an accusation of lying or not, just as in the case with any other insult, its either there or it isnt, the opinions around the insult are not relevant in anyway.

Lets be clear we are not talking common claims like strawmaning, handwaving etc that might imply bad faith, we are talking the straight up accusation of arguing a position you don't believe to be true aka lying.

I have for my sins been posting on this forum for over a decade (**** my life) and have seen all the trolls, all the swings from left to right and back again, but in all that time even if someone was laughing at your argument and calling you an idiot, it was always assumed it was an argument you believed in.

In this case a moderator has the easiest of calls to make, which makes it baffling why they get it so wrong.

Not only do they have a simple and obvious binary call to make, 99% if not 100% of this new means of trolling comes from one poster and that is not remotely close to being hyperbole.

And lets be clear, this is not the first time this issue has been raised and I am not the first poster to raise it.

Just seems weird how this specific form of **** posting is allowed to keep trucking with zero action from the mods.
09-20-2022 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornishman
I have for my sins been posting on this forum for over a decade (**** my life) and have seen all the trolls, all the swings from left to right and back again
Why does this profile have so few posts? What was your previous screen name?
09-20-2022 , 08:15 PM
What is impressive is the 2003 start date!
09-20-2022 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Why does this profile have so few posts? What was your previous screen name?
its oafk
09-20-2022 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
Indeed.

Even the persons engaging in it can find relief in such a rule.

I also post the most content, by far, that is serious and engaged.
Correct that those of us who are mostly here to engage would have much higher content %ages if there's a cooperative effort.

The biggest problem by far when in comes to no content are those who are just here to troll and disruput any engagament . They both add almost nothing and increase the low content from the rest of us.
09-20-2022 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
A moderator's problem with judging "bad faith" claims is that what one person thinks is bad faith, the other poster could genuinely believe. They just disagree to such an extent that think it is impossible that the other position is genuinely held.

Moderator bias also becomes much more prevalent when moderating against such posts, it is harder to see the the honesty in positions you find personally absurd, even if it is there. You can imagine that if you personally (speaking to anyone reading this) got a genuine view deleted for being dishonest, you would be less than thrilled.

Beef or bad blood between posters can also color their debates. They can report a post or see a quarrel starting from the other person, but if you go look at the report it is more unclear who started what. I don't dispute the perception of the debate, I do believe the vast majority of such reports are intended as genuine.

There is of course also moderator actions that are invisible. PMs, infractions, warnings or deletions that you miss (even though I try to note those in this thread).
Absolutely. Bias is a serious problem that can be mitigated soemwhat with atrategies as long as we are aware of it. But is impossible to overcome completely or correctly.

It's why reasonable inference/ etc by mods was such bull. It embraces bias rather than tries to mitigate it. Much better now.
09-20-2022 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
its oafk
LOL. He revived an old dormant account to complain about moderation while he was on a temp ban? How do you know it is him?
09-20-2022 , 09:27 PM
I could be wrong but I he is trying very hard not to hide it.
09-20-2022 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I could be wrong but I he is trying very hard not to hide it.

who else would it be? I mean I looked at this thread, first oak was complaining about something and then this burner account. Its pretty obvious this might be oak.

Last edited by washoe; 09-20-2022 at 09:43 PM.
09-20-2022 , 10:31 PM
The burner account is from freaking 2003. I respect his ability to plan ahead, and I say let him run wild with it.
09-20-2022 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
LOL. He revived an old dormant account to complain about moderation while he was on a temp ban? How do you know it is him?
Even worse is not charging QP rent to live in his head.
09-20-2022 , 11:26 PM
I just pull it out, dont cut my hair
Take my face, stubb a cig right there
Im a dirty, wretched man
Call me grandad, cos i ****ed your nan
09-21-2022 , 03:41 AM
[QUOTE=master3004;57823369]Fwiw, I disagree that my posts containing profanity were "flames"
/QUOTE]

Hmm, so maybe your personal judgement about what is acceptable in internet forums isn't universally accepted, as you claimed.
09-21-2022 , 03:51 AM
A back and forth was deleted from the "cancel culture"-thread.
09-21-2022 , 04:51 AM
Just put anyone you think is a troll/bad-faith poster on ignore. If everyone who thinks that about a poster does this there won't be anyone left to be trolled. They can yell at the clouds on their lonesome and discussions are not sidetracked.
09-21-2022 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
who else would it be? I mean I looked at this thread, first oak was complaining about something and then this burner account. Its pretty obvious this might be oak.
InJuiceWeTrust was also just banned within the last few days.
09-22-2022 , 07:05 AM
injuice is just an unreasonable troll whereas oak is just unreasonably stupid.
09-22-2022 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
injuice is just an unreasonable troll whereas oak is just unreasonably stupid.
Bruh...
09-22-2022 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls
Bruh...

Yeah brah, idk I shouldnt have called oafk that I guess. He makes me mad all the time but he isnt the only one. They are both unreasonable to me. And here he is talking about nothing specific. So if he is talking about somehting it would be best he backs it up with evidence imo or not bring it up at all.

Stop beating around the bushes and tell us what you are complaining about imo is the way. Everything else is stpuid.
09-22-2022 , 12:57 PM
ehh Tame i put some Russia Ukraine stuff in the wrong thread. IT was put in the Russia/US Policy thread and should have been in just the general Russia/Ukraine thread.

Can you move it?

Or I can just copy/paste it over but then it is in both threads as I can no longer edit it out of the first one.
09-22-2022 , 07:35 PM
I deleted a very weird back and forth, a tangent on NFTs and some talking points straight of the Kremlin from the "Ukraine"-thread. Quoting replies were also removed.
09-22-2022 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I deleted a very weird back and forth, a tangent on NFTs and some talking points straight of the Kremlin from the "Ukraine"-thread. Quoting replies were also removed.
Looks like you didn't get all of them yet...

Last edited by chillrob; 09-22-2022 at 07:47 PM. Reason: Oops, now you did!
09-22-2022 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I deleted a very weird back and forth, a tangent on NFTs and some talking points straight of the Kremlin from the "Ukraine"-thread. Quoting replies were also removed.

Thank you TD and sorry, I shouldnt have responded. Fpr the record, Cuepee is not stupid, he is very cautious which is a good thing.
09-22-2022 , 08:06 PM
You typed fpr instead of ftr. I believe a 3 page post splurge is in order

      
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